Barrel Twist Length

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Tom R

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Hi ,
Got a question.
If a barrel,lets say 1-17TW-26",stabilizes a 22 bullet.
If you cut that same barrel to 18" will it also
stabilize the bullet?
Hope the question is understandible.
Thanks
Tom R
 
Twist

Tom
My answer would be yes. My understanding is that a 1 in 17" twist is a 1 in 17" twist if the barrel is 3" long or 3' long. Once the bullet makes a revolution it is now spinning at the rate of the barrel twist[the exception being a gain twist barrel of-course].
Colt.45
 
Tom

I'm sure you will get many opinions on this so I will give you mine. A 17 twist barrel will stablize the bullet at 18 inches in warm/hot weather but may not stablized as well in cold weather. (below 40 degree F.) I am no expert but the 17 twist barrels I have shoot great in the summer but not well in the cold. The holes in the targets are nice an round in the summer, and so so good in the cold.

They say rimfires bullets achieve max vel at 18 inches or so and lose speed the longer they stays in at barrel beyond 18 inches. I try to stick with 16 or 16 1/2 twist rimfire barrels!

Hope this helps!
 
Not the same accuracy

Like one other stated, in the hotter temps, YES. The main thing I would be concerned with, is whether or not you would have the same accuracy. Just because the 22RF reaches it maximum velocity at 18", dosn't mean it will be at it's best at any given distance.
 
My uneducated assumption would be....

Tom
My answer would be yes. My understanding is that a 1 in 17" twist is a 1 in 17" twist if the barrel is 3" long or 3' long. Once the bullet makes a revolution it is now spinning at the rate of the barrel twist[the exception being a gain twist barrel of-course].
Colt.45

I'm sticking with Colt on this one.....the question is not between 16 and 17 inch twist. It is length.

1 in 17 is 1 in 17 regardless of length. BUT it seems to me that some guys shoot a faster ammo to stabilize if they are having issues with convential subsonic ammo speeds.

So if that was the case the shorter barrel might stabilize better if you believe that anything longer than 18 inches you are losing velocity in a 22 rf.

That at least would be my thinking.

Luckily I don't have problems with my rifles shooting those sidewinding bullets.

Charlie
 
Twist

When you say 17 do your really mean 17.5,in a very tight bore?Keyhole is from the tight bore or the barrel ID.Two things at work the ID then the twist.
Who makes a 18" twist? :)
 
Hi,
Thanks to all that replied to this post.
Got a lot of useful information.
Take Care
Tom R
 
.22rf twist and velocity and being stable in temps.

Guys here is my two cents. I did a twist rate calc. at 1100fps. on a .22rf. bullet and it came out to be 16.87 to 17.73 depending on what bullet your shooting etc...

I myself wouldn't shoot a 1-17. To me it's to much on the edge of being stable. If you get in different climate conditions (temp./humidity) or elevation it could have an effect on how it is going to shoot. This was mentioned earlier.

Yes if the barrel is a 1-17 twist it is a 17 twist regardless if it is a 6" barrel or a 18" barrel. Remember though that a shorter barrel length does effect velocity which does effect the rpm on the bullet. I know this is min. on a rimfire round but keep it in the back of your mind.

If it we're my gun I would shoot a 1-16 or a 1-16.5 as a min.

Later, Frank
 
Bullet stability is a function of a bullet's rotational velocity, the bulets forward velocity, the air density, and the shape of the bullet.

Forward velocity starts as muzzle velocity but it slows down with distance traveled because of atmospheric drag which is also a function of air density.

Rotational velocity starts at the rate determined by the muzzle velocity and barrel twist but it too slows down with distance and and also varies a little with air density. Typically the rotational velocity drops more slowly than the forward velocity, tending to increase stabiity with distance for a given instantaious velocity.

Bullet shape affects how much forward kinetic energy and rotational kinetic energy the bullet looses as it pushes air out of the way. That's fairly predictable at speeds over mach 1.3 and below mach 0.9, but gets complex at transsoinc velocity where 22LR bullets are frequently used.

You might want to play with the caluclations at this site:
http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/drag/drag.html

It's a little tedious to enter the bullet shape data, but what it will show is that stabilty is not only a function of barrel twist but is highly dependent on the velocity range the bullet experiences between the muzzle and the target. In my opinion that informaion is of more use to show how complex bullet stability is than it is to directly predict the required twist rate. However, it does show that bullets shot in the range of mach 0.9 to mach 1.3 require a faster twist barrel than those shot shot at either higher or lower velocities.

The conditions where you shoot matter too. Higher temperature, higher altitude, lower barometric pressure, and (to a small extent) higher humidty all reduce air density and low air density allows heavier bullets to be shot from a given twist rate barrel. To add more confusion the velocity for a given mach value increases with temperature but is nearly independent of pressure.

The bottom line is to use the barrel lenght and twist which works with the ammo you choose and the distance you shoot at your location, not what the above program predicts. Accuracy requires a bullet to stabilize but not be severely over stabilized.

It should be obvious that for a given bullet fired from a given gun in a given atmosphere bullet stability still changes with the distance the bullet travels. It may become more or less stable with distance.

I'm not going to attemp to tell you what what the best twist rate is, other than to say that the firearms industry has been testing what works for 22LR for 100+ years. I shoot mostly at over a mile elevation and mostly in warm weather in the mountains of southern Arizona. My rifles will typically shoot considerably heavier bullets than the "recommended" twist rates. What works for me probably woudn't be right for you.
 
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