Availability of an extension for my 44" Dewey rod in 22 cal?
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Joe Entrekin
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I'd say contact Denny Phillips @ Ivy rods & have him make you what you need. That's gonna be a loooooong rod! You're slippin' Francis.
I've got it figured out. Maybe I can provide some useful info to the benchrest crowd since they are evidently stumped by this question being we haven't heard from them yet.
Roll a paper strip thick around the Dewey rod close to the handle, clamp it in a vise, and turn the handle off with pliers. You now have exposed threads on both sides that can either be retapped and/or you can add an extension piece. Any possibly weak or very slightly off-center handy work that you will do will be on the handle end of the rod, and not on the critical barrel end.
Roll a paper strip thick around the Dewey rod close to the handle, clamp it in a vise, and turn the handle off with pliers. You now have exposed threads on both sides that can either be retapped and/or you can add an extension piece. Any possibly weak or very slightly off-center handy work that you will do will be on the handle end of the rod, and not on the critical barrel end.
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Not sure how to take your last post VaniB.
Dewey has made 10" extensions for me and they go in the handle like you described. The extensions are larger in diameter than the rod. My limited experience with Dewey is that they are top notch people to talk to and deal with. I'd have mentioned this earlier but for several days now I have been entertaining family I haven't seen in 22 years and I haven't been on the computer.
Cheers,
Rob
Dewey has made 10" extensions for me and they go in the handle like you described. The extensions are larger in diameter than the rod. My limited experience with Dewey is that they are top notch people to talk to and deal with. I'd have mentioned this earlier but for several days now I have been entertaining family I haven't seen in 22 years and I haven't been on the computer.
Cheers,
Rob
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Dewey are fine folks, and mentioned to me in casual conversation over the phone that the rod will easily turn out of the handle. That helpful info was all that was offered to me...and with necessity being the mother of invention, I quickly went to work making my own extension:
How to extend 22 cal Dewey Rod:
Lock the rod in a vise. (wrap it with paper to protect the outer surface). Turn the handle off of the 44" rod, breaking the epoxy seal. Simply rethread the handle with a 6/32 tap. Then cut a 6-32 toggle bolt rod or threaded rod to the desired length to serve as your extension.
To join my 3" of 6-32" extension rod that I needed onto the 44" long Dewey rod, I simply used a standard Dewey brass 6-32 to 6-36 jag adapter. To strengthen the 3" long length of extension rod, I applied epoxy to the length of it and slipped a K&S brass tube over the epoxy.(K&S tubes are common at better hobby shops or available on the internet) The advantage of this particular extension is that it is no thicker then the remainder of the rod, and it will slip into my 22 cal rod guide.
Rob, there was aproximately 200 hits on this thread, and I'm the only guy that knew how to unscrew a Dewey handle off of the rod and install a toggle bolt rod?
Like I said; Glad I can help all those who were evidently clueless.
How to extend 22 cal Dewey Rod:
Lock the rod in a vise. (wrap it with paper to protect the outer surface). Turn the handle off of the 44" rod, breaking the epoxy seal. Simply rethread the handle with a 6/32 tap. Then cut a 6-32 toggle bolt rod or threaded rod to the desired length to serve as your extension.
To join my 3" of 6-32" extension rod that I needed onto the 44" long Dewey rod, I simply used a standard Dewey brass 6-32 to 6-36 jag adapter. To strengthen the 3" long length of extension rod, I applied epoxy to the length of it and slipped a K&S brass tube over the epoxy.(K&S tubes are common at better hobby shops or available on the internet) The advantage of this particular extension is that it is no thicker then the remainder of the rod, and it will slip into my 22 cal rod guide.
Rob, there was aproximately 200 hits on this thread, and I'm the only guy that knew how to unscrew a Dewey handle off of the rod and install a toggle bolt rod?
Like I said; Glad I can help all those who were evidently clueless.
J
jaybic
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I am not sure how to take it either but it appears that while the idea is helpful, it also appears that we must endure some thinly veiled insults as payment for this wisdom. Is it necessary?
Is your modesty on par with your engineering skills?
Jamie
Is your modesty on par with your engineering skills?
Jamie
No. That's not it.
Frankly, of late I've become agitated with those that do read these threads and DO KNOW the answers to some of the questions asked on these boards, but care not to participate.
I was hardly calling the benchrest guys, or anybody of any shooting discipline, "stupid" as much as I was implying how lazy or selfish some guys are to read through these threads but not to be willing to share some of their tips and know-how with the rest of us. Maybe I'm wrong to assume that somebody out there that read this thread did at least know about removing a Dewey handle, if they didn't already know of a source for an aftermarket part altogether?
I suppose snobbery or cliques can be found everywhere we go.
I suppose so. Keep us all posted
al
I sense some sacasm and indignation in your comment. (??)
Al, I know you are VERY experienced and extremely knowlegable about this precision shooting sport. With that in mind, I have got a question for you Al, and I'd like an honest answer from you: Could you have just about as easily taken the initiative to answer this post's question during the last 3 days that it's hung out there?
No, I concede that you don't have to. But, if you did have the knowledge and could have helped, then I've made my point.
You know, maybe I am just a bit touchy lately. I just finished a post in another forum to inform folks what good results I had in finishing a stock. (Yea, I was happy about it, in a good mood, and wanted to share my experience) Be darned if I didn't get my butt instantly jumped by a regular here with that's not the way WE do it" and the usual ass-kissing clique. The testimony and photo just isn't good enough for some elites.
Why would I answer when I don't have a clue?
"No, I concede that you don't have to. But, if you did have the knowledge and could have helped, then I've made my point."
No, you haven't made any points.........
Regarding the stock finish, hellooooo, it's opinion. Some folks likes pork chops and some folks likes ham hocks......
Others didn't like it. I didn't like it, I thought it looked like sin but refrained from comment. The person you're pleasing in this life is YOU my friend..... if YOU liked it then good on ya! If you're discouraged that "some elites" didn't crowd all up to ya, I can't help you there.
-In matters of opinion we've all got them.
-In matters of fact, it doesn't matter WHO has them, just that the straight facts get out there.
-In matters of "where do I procure XXX" it doesn't matter either WHO gets the message out but I trust my fellow man to share what he knows.
-In matters of judgment of my fellows' motives??? ......... I'll leave that to God.
al
Fbecigneul...No.......you've got it entirely wrong. I am expressing discontent or contempt for those probably many knowledgable readers who breeezed through this thread during its first two days and 200 hits or so, but would not take a moment to help. It's not unusual to find threads started by many others as well, to go unanswered. Only after I started to sarcastically express discord about this fact did I miraculously get signs of life. I'm surprised too that without naming names, how many people do think that it's them that I'm talking about!
Aliwa,
Fair enough. I agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and can appreciate your personal opinion if you believe my mirror slick stock finish looks hideous. (Even if the intent of a lot of folks using the tru-oil product is to polish on the same kind of mirror finish)
During the onset of my project it was a surprise however to have googled and read of so many people discussing the best method to try to achieve a slick gloss finish with tru-oil. I achieve this effect handily by a method which I believe saved a lot of time and trouble, and I thought was worth sharing with others in that particular thread. The results were clear to see in that photo right there on that thread, but I got not a single acknowledment that the method might have merit. I was lucky to get the one compliment altogether.....even if it came with debate.
Frankly, the reaction I got there was unexpected. But, I learned some useful info anyway (that I'd be better off next time with a Urethane finish) dried my tears and moved on.
Then.....I come here to this forum to ask if anybody knows how to extend a Dewey rod. Ok....??...maybe no life-long target shooters with a 31" barrel knew how to do this.
As amazing as that seems, the guy who owns 2 target rifles to his name, figured it out on his own with a $3 tap, and a 89 cent toggle bolt ?...... and took the time to detail and SHARE THIS INFO WITH THE OTHERS here. (me)I'm now starting to wonder if there may only actually have been just a couple of people that knew this. So,I'm glad to help the others.
Here's a photo of the extension I made. If anybody has any questions, feel free to contact me:
Here's a photo of my 22x47L newly finished ugly rifle, awaiting my Black Diamond 8x-32X scope;
And last but not least, for those folks that don't know about the other thread you and I are referring to, here's that photo again of the ugly stock with the gloss tru-oil application.
If this stock was finished with thick coats of tru-oil ....beware..... it just may become tacky in high heat and humidity...... not good .....especially on a target rifle. I gave up on tru-oil long time ago in favor of urethane which does not get tacky once it cures.
The main reason shiny stocks have fallen out of favor is that once they are marred or scratched they are hard to repair.
Nice grain pattern, but basic stock design may present some tracking issues (especially the way the front bag is positioned in your pic).
One thing I would do if it was mine, would be to lose that white spacer on the pad....you darkened the white line on the grip cap.....do the same on the pad....that is the one thing that gives it a 60's look.
Regarding the need for a longer rod, I would hesitate to make an extension ....especially on such a long thin rod.....those treads are a weak link and the steel used in those toggle bolts is very soft. With specialty suppliers like Ivy Rods out there, I would have opted for a one piece stainless rod. I have more trouble getting consistent fitting patches in the 22 cal and lower calibers, causing the rod to bend pretty bad at times.JMHO.
BTW what chambering? Is it an ADL style mag?
You may need high rings with that high cheek piece......good luck with the new "unit"
The main reason shiny stocks have fallen out of favor is that once they are marred or scratched they are hard to repair.
Nice grain pattern, but basic stock design may present some tracking issues (especially the way the front bag is positioned in your pic
).One thing I would do if it was mine, would be to lose that white spacer on the pad....you darkened the white line on the grip cap.....do the same on the pad....that is the one thing that gives it a 60's look.
Regarding the need for a longer rod, I would hesitate to make an extension ....especially on such a long thin rod.....those treads are a weak link and the steel used in those toggle bolts is very soft. With specialty suppliers like Ivy Rods out there, I would have opted for a one piece stainless rod. I have more trouble getting consistent fitting patches in the 22 cal and lower calibers, causing the rod to bend pretty bad at times.JMHO.
BTW what chambering? Is it an ADL style mag?
You may need high rings with that high cheek piece......good luck with the new "unit"
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jaybic
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Just my opinion but I like the way the stock looks. I have always like the BDL/Wingmaster/almost anything wood by Browning look.
I agree that once you scratch it, its not coming out but right up until that first scratch, they sure look nice to me.
Jamie
I agree that once you scratch it, its not coming out but right up until that first scratch, they sure look nice to me.
Jamie
Different strokes...
I'm a fancier of hand rubbed -oil wood, I think it highlights the grain better than any other finish...and is easiest to repair those blemishes that WILL occur. If one looks at the pictures above, you see an awful lot of glare....just reminds me of cheap furniture from the 70's that was real glossy plastic veneer.
I'm a fancier of hand rubbed -oil wood, I think it highlights the grain better than any other finish...and is easiest to repair those blemishes that WILL occur. If one looks at the pictures above, you see an awful lot of glare....just reminds me of cheap furniture from the 70's that was real glossy plastic veneer.
If this stock was finished with thick coats of tru-oil ....beware..... it just may become tacky in high heat and humidity...... not good .....especially on a target rifle. I gave up on tru-oil long time ago in favor of urethane which does not get tacky once it cures.
The main reason shiny stocks have fallen out of favor is that once they are marred or scratched they are hard to repair.
Nice grain pattern, but basic stock design may present some tracking issues (especially the way the front bag is positioned in your pic
One thing I would do if it was mine, would be to lose that white spacer on the pad....you darkened the white line on the grip cap.....do the same on the pad....that is the one thing that gives it a 60's look.
Regarding the need for a longer rod, I would hesitate to make an extension ....especially on such a long thin rod.....those treads are a weak link and the steel used in those toggle bolts is very soft. With specialty suppliers like Ivy Rods out there, I would have opted for a one piece stainless rod. I have more trouble getting consistent fitting patches in the 22 cal and lower calibers, causing the rod to bend pretty bad at times.JMHO.
BTW what chambering? Is it an ADL style mag?
You may need high rings with that high cheek piece......good luck with the new "unit"
I agree with pretty much everything you say here.
I have conceded to those folks like yourself who are more knowledgable about tru-oil, that it was not the best choice for a desired hard surface, and I will use a urethane finish next time. (though, the main beef I had with the others on the other forum wasn't about that issue, but was more the fact that they couldn't accept the fine results I got by spraying it on, while they also proceeded to knock the stock)
Yes, this 15 pound rifle (16 lbs with the scope) has already suffered minor marks when rested on a hard rubber surface. Though the marring easily rubbed off with a cloth, I now know what to expect when it is left to rest on a leather bag in 99 degee temperatures.
Yep, this used Richards stock that I got on Ebay for $135 had a lot of old 1960's in it. I immediately sanded away the large 60's looking pistol grip and the sharp pointed forend tip. (not to mention strpping away the old finish and filling in all the wood grain with tru-oil first). Perhaps your suggestion of removing the white line spacer has merit. I'll color over it in on one spot and see how it looks.
Uhhh...huh; The thought of my 3/32" zinc thread-rod extension being a weak spot has crossed my mind. This is why I epoxied a snug brass tube over it. I'll know once I go through barrel prep just how well it works. I will obviously first proceed with caution. The last thing I want to do is snap the extension off and have a Dewey handle impaled into my pretty tru-oil stock.
Initial testing seems fine though.It is a 2007 non-J-lock VSSF BDL action. Though I always feed each round individually into the chamber of my rifles, I take satisfaction in knowing my rifles are repeaters. To me, a plugged magazine, or non-working magazine is a broken rifle, and I will not own a rifle that way. That's just my schtick. I intend no disrepect to the serious shooters who do use plugged magazines, and consider function and the .112" groups they seek a priority over aesthetics.
Yes sir, that Burris 30mm scope has a huge front objective and requires extra high Leupold rings. (I prefer lapping my rings and installing Leupold Dual Dovetail rings over the Zee rings that so mny other folks on these forums like.)
jaybic,
Thanks for the kind words. It's nice to know one other person in the world besides me also likes it.
The last thing I want to do is snap the extension off and have a Dewey handle impaled into my pretty tru-oil stock.
My mental image is different than this...... based on my own scarred hand and my son's finger where he shoved a splintered aluminum arrow through it, I picture impaling your own hand as more likely than hurting the stock.
I like the sleeve though. Should help a lot.
al
Pease don't hold back.....would you kindly tell me what you really think?
I don't know why, but your cheap furniture comment immediately struck me as funny so that even my wife wanted to know what I had suddenly burst out laughing about. I guess after your initial polite and helpful input on the first page, I really wasn't expecting this kind of brash honesty. You remind me of that crazy guy in the old 1970's Bob Newhart show who use to keep a straight face while he insulted the others in the therapy group.
I don't know what your day job is, but have you ever tried stand-up? You're good.
Seriously...thanks for the input.
Pease don't hold back.....would you kindly tell me what you really think?
I don't know why, but your cheap furniture comment immediately struck me as funny so that even my wife wanted to know what I had suddenly burst out laughing about. I guess after your initial polite and helpful input on the first page, I really wasn't expecting this kind of brash honesty. You remind me of that crazy guy in the old 1970's Bob Newhart show who use to keep a straight face while he insulted the others in the therapy group.
I don't know what your day job is, but have you ever tried stand-up? You're good.
Seriously...thanks for the input.
Hey vanib, don't take it like that..... these are GUN GUYS and you will find that 90% of traditional GUN people will feel as LH does. It ain't about you. It ain't about funny. It's the truth. Highgrade guns are finished differently and looking at your wood prep I feel that it deserves a rich hand-rubbed finish not a tacky 70's gloss. And LH is dead right about the whiteline, lose it. It's gross.
If you want folks to gush over your stock take it to a forum where folks tailor their responses to make friends, not to share what they think. There are plenty out there.
You're not understanding folks here, NOBODY is picking on you! So quit with the snooty remarks please???
LHSmith gave you honesty, he doesn't deserve to be called a clown.al
Need for a longer rod
I needed a longer rod that would clear a 29 in barrel with a tuner & Noodle. That ment the rod had to be aout 12 inches longer. I just purchased another Rod ( Denny Phillips ) that filled the need. Have it fitted it with the proper Jag, and you are done.
I needed a longer rod that would clear a 29 in barrel with a tuner & Noodle. That ment the rod had to be aout 12 inches longer. I just purchased another Rod ( Denny Phillips ) that filled the need. Have it fitted it with the proper Jag, and you are done.
Joe Entrekin
New member
Atta boy, Francis, much better. So.................I guess you are guilty..................Of being a nice guy!