Anyone shooting 220 Russian?

I will certainly check that thread out when I have the time. I heard a very similar story back when I was pursuing an alternative to brass. Could have been about the same guy. I believe I steered away from steels because of the problems mentioned in the necks, along with not needing a material quite that strong. I settled on a phosphor bronze because it had a far higher strength than brass yet could be annealed like brass to provide good ductility in the necks. Plus it was a cool reddish looking piece that doesn't rust and polishes like brass.

About the time I quit, I was looking into strain gage setups to monitor chamber pressures before I actually tried any of these cases. Wish I could have followed through with that. Maybe someday.
 
Joe, you and 4Mesh might enjoy each other quite a bit.

He too has quit (for a while, we all hope). He chambered his own barrels -- boring bar, he never used reamers, made his own dies, got 1.450" barrels & profiled them himself ("material comes off like gray dust"), I *think* made his own actions (certainly had Bruce Thom take a couple BATs only so far, so he could finish the work to his liking...)

Both you guys use a lot larger box to think in.

I don't think Phil looks at BR Central much anymore, I could send him a email...
 
Joe I have no idea why hard dies work better than soft ones but I'm convinced they do.

Maybe they're stiffer?

dunno
al
 
Hard ones aren't ever sticky. They size like skates on ice and will leave a shiney burnished finish on the brass cases. Hardened dies allow one to use less and different lubricants. I've sized thousands of cases using BBS as the lubricant.

Unhardened ones, using the typical lubricants and procedures just feel 'draggy' and sticky in comparison. They will load up with brass, scratching the cases and in any event they never burnish the case, instead leaving a brushed finish.

Also, when sizing to the half-thou they not only feel different but I myself can't get the same consistency when using un-hardened dies. Only hardened dies give me satisfactory repeatable results.

al
 
What about the 22 Lapua "no turn". Tim and Laura Gardner ( of Douglas Barrels) use this cartridge for their rail guns. I had James Messer chamber a barrel, for Remington action. Very impressive , not to be a BR rifle. I shot t-8208 and some h 4198.
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Standard 22PPC would not need prep though correct. You would load 220 brass and fire form?
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HFV said:
What about the 22 Lapua "no turn". Tim and Laura Gardner ( of Douglas Barrels) use this cartridge for their rail guns.
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The 22 Lapua? Wish I had thought of that. I just called my version of the cartridge the 220 Beggs. Good for Tim and Laura Gardner for recognizing the potential in the unaltered Lapua 220 Russian case.

You know what? I think we should just call the cartridge what it really is, the "Lapua 220 Russian." After all, that's what is stamped on the case head.

I'll bet George Kelbly, Lou Murdica and several others are rolling in the floor right now laughing,

,,,"Are you guys just now discovering that? 'ell, we've known that for years."


Oh well, I guess there really is nothing new under the sun; huh?

But I'm not willing to give up. Now all experts know that if you could just cram enough powder into the case and somehow, get that bullet going fast enough, it would completely cancel out the affects of wind, mirage and other such. hmmmmmm, we could take the basic 50 bmg case, blow the shoulder out to 45 degrees, reduce the body taper and neck it down to 14 caliber,,,,,yeah, I'll bet that would work; huh?

Later guys

Gene Beggs
 
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Ackley once made a .22 Earsplitinloudenboomer to prove that the more powder you use the faster the bullet goes. It has been at least 40 years since I read his books but I think it was a .378 Weatherby necked down. He said the barrel was shot out before they could work up a load.
 
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Ackley once made a .22 Earsplitinloudenboomer to prove that the more powder you use the faster the bullet goes. It has been at least 40 years since I read his books but I think it was a .378 Weatherby necked down. He said the barrel was shot out before they could work up a load.
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According to Ackley's book it shot 4600fps with a 50grn bullet. It was for Bob Hutton of Guns and Ammo.
 
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