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t powers
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for my information , pros and cons on 6mmPPC and 6MMBR ?
Any info will be appreciated.
Any info will be appreciated.
6PPC is a point blank BR caliber best suited for the 68 grain bullets. 13.5-14 twist seems to be the most popular. Its shot primarily at 100-200 yards although it can be shot at ranges farther that but, barrel twist and bullet selection make it more difficult.
6mmBR is a caliber that can be shot to 1000 yard BR matches and is a very versatile caliber. 8 twists seems to be the most popular with 105-107's being the most popular bullet weights. This caliber shoots very good, almost as good as the PPC but, not good enough to dominate the short range game. With my experience, it seems that the 6BR is best from 300-600 yards.
Either caliber would be fun to shoot but for my money, the 6mmBR is the way I'd go unless I was going to shoot point blank BR matches.
6mmBR is a caliber that can be shot to 1000 yard BR matches and is a very versatile caliber. 8 twists seems to be the most popular with 105-107's being the most popular bullet weights. This caliber shoots very good, almost as good as the PPC but, not good enough to dominate the short range game. With my experience, it seems that the 6BR is best from 300-600 yards.
Either caliber would be fun to shoot but for my money, the 6mmBR is the way I'd go unless I was going to shoot point blank BR matches.
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f d shuster
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6mm choices
Yes, to the previous post! 6BR is the more versatile of the 2, and your working with a "standard" American case head diameter: easy to change to another cartridge in the future without changing/or again modifying the bolt face: although can't imagine why anyone would want to, after enjoying the BR.
Yes, to the previous post! 6BR is the more versatile of the 2, and your working with a "standard" American case head diameter: easy to change to another cartridge in the future without changing/or again modifying the bolt face: although can't imagine why anyone would want to, after enjoying the BR.
jackie schmidt
New member
Ditto
Unless you are going to be competing in 100-200 yard Benchrest, the 6BR is a more versatile chambering.
The only big decision you have to face is what twist. For longer ranges, the `1-8 twist with any if the fine 100+ grn bullets will shoot extremely well.
You could compromise a little, get a 1-12 twist, which will handle bullets in the 75 to 80 grn range, and still expect great accuracy out of the lighter bullets.
The logical choice is to have two barrels, one with a slower twist, 13.5 works great, so you can go to the range at 100 and 200 yards and shoot those really small groups( using 68 grn match bullets) that we all love. Then, screw on the 1-8 tube when you want to reach out and touch something out past 500 yards.
But do not fool yourself. If you have any desire to shoot Competitive Benchrest, go with a 6PPC. There is a reason we all shoot one........jackie
Unless you are going to be competing in 100-200 yard Benchrest, the 6BR is a more versatile chambering.
The only big decision you have to face is what twist. For longer ranges, the `1-8 twist with any if the fine 100+ grn bullets will shoot extremely well.
You could compromise a little, get a 1-12 twist, which will handle bullets in the 75 to 80 grn range, and still expect great accuracy out of the lighter bullets.
The logical choice is to have two barrels, one with a slower twist, 13.5 works great, so you can go to the range at 100 and 200 yards and shoot those really small groups( using 68 grn match bullets) that we all love. Then, screw on the 1-8 tube when you want to reach out and touch something out past 500 yards.
But do not fool yourself. If you have any desire to shoot Competitive Benchrest, go with a 6PPC. There is a reason we all shoot one........jackie
TomD
e publius unum
It's no big deal, just get a 308 bolt face (.473) and, just by changing barrels, you can shoot 6 PPC, any of the BR calibers plus including 308, 22-250, 30-06 and a host of other cartridges. Talk about versatility. You can have one rifle optimized for point blank benchrest and also capable of 600 & 1000 yard matches.
A 308 bolt face will reliably extract the smaller PPC cases. Vice versa doesn't work.
A 308 bolt face will reliably extract the smaller PPC cases. Vice versa doesn't work.
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t powers
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thank you for your insite to this matter it lookslike the next rifle on my wish list will be a 6mm BR. thanks again. Tom
t powers,
I heartily agree with the others, BUT......
IMO the most important thing is to buy a rifle which is built by a Benchrest Gunsmith. I've been where you are and I had two custom rifles built by gunsmiths NOT building winning centerfire rifles and I wasted my money. When I say "wasted my money" here's my take on it. The rifles still SHOOT, extremely well. Better than anything I'd owned or built prior. But they don't shoot as well as some that I've acquired since........when the time comes to actually go down to a match it quickly becomes apparent that "almost is not enough". A beginner with a tuned rifle has more chance than a pro with bad equipment IMO. Others will disagree with this. Make sure that those others have shot in a match
I will strongly recommend ONLY gunsmiths who're advertising here on this site and whose names you see mentioned in the Match reports. Buying a used one from Bob White at Shooters Corner is also a fail-safe way to go. I'll recommend you buy a rifle with the following options:
--.473 bf. This is the diameter of the boltface which accepts the head of the cartridge case. A .473bf will accept any of the cartridges commonly associated with Light Gun accuracy from 100-1000yds.
--10.5lb finished weight. This will be called a "LV" for Light Varmint. Or a rifle with a "weight system" for versatility.
--Either a 6BR or a 6PPC will shoot better than you will for quite some time but in the end the PPC will be an easier choice for 100-200CF BR. You will doubt your choice for years of shooting if you opt for 6BR and end up shooting 100-200 or "point blank BR". It's hard to explain but the 6PPC simply IS a better choice. I have several BR rifles which have both chamberings fitted and I would not take a 6BR barrel to a short range BR match. And I love the 6BR!!! I feel that it is simply the most versatile cartridge on the planet. If I had only ONE barrel I'd shoot the 6BR in short range BR. What I'm leading up to is two barrels If you order your rifle with just one extra barrel you can HAVE IT ALL! Get a 6PPC in 14"twist and a 6BR in the 8"twist and you're set for years of fun.
anyway.......
enjoy
al
I heartily agree with the others, BUT......
IMO the most important thing is to buy a rifle which is built by a Benchrest Gunsmith. I've been where you are and I had two custom rifles built by gunsmiths NOT building winning centerfire rifles and I wasted my money. When I say "wasted my money" here's my take on it. The rifles still SHOOT, extremely well. Better than anything I'd owned or built prior. But they don't shoot as well as some that I've acquired since........when the time comes to actually go down to a match it quickly becomes apparent that "almost is not enough". A beginner with a tuned rifle has more chance than a pro with bad equipment IMO. Others will disagree with this. Make sure that those others have shot in a match
I will strongly recommend ONLY gunsmiths who're advertising here on this site and whose names you see mentioned in the Match reports. Buying a used one from Bob White at Shooters Corner is also a fail-safe way to go. I'll recommend you buy a rifle with the following options:
--.473 bf. This is the diameter of the boltface which accepts the head of the cartridge case. A .473bf will accept any of the cartridges commonly associated with Light Gun accuracy from 100-1000yds.
--10.5lb finished weight. This will be called a "LV" for Light Varmint. Or a rifle with a "weight system" for versatility.
--Either a 6BR or a 6PPC will shoot better than you will for quite some time but in the end the PPC will be an easier choice for 100-200CF BR. You will doubt your choice for years of shooting if you opt for 6BR and end up shooting 100-200 or "point blank BR". It's hard to explain but the 6PPC simply IS a better choice. I have several BR rifles which have both chamberings fitted and I would not take a 6BR barrel to a short range BR match. And I love the 6BR!!! I feel that it is simply the most versatile cartridge on the planet. If I had only ONE barrel I'd shoot the 6BR in short range BR. What I'm leading up to is two barrels
If you order your rifle with just one extra barrel you can HAVE IT ALL! Get a 6PPC in 14"twist and a 6BR in the 8"twist and you're set for years of fun. anyway.......
enjoy
al