6BR vs 6PPC

So it looks like if I get serious about this Benchrest shooting I should go with a 6PPC if I shoot 100/200 for Group score and 30BR if I want to shoot for SCORE only?

canic lupus
Yes. Tht's what post number 4 recommended. By the way, at short range, there is no "Group score"

Going to a match, which you indicated you'll do today, is the first part. If you like it -- hard to tell without shooting, I know -- the next step is to get involved in the sport with reasonable equipment at a reasonable price.

Be reasonable. If there are only score matches near you, shoot score. If only group matches, shoot group.

Read a couple of books. That is still the best way to get thoughtfully prepared, vetted information.

Price has several components, time and dollars. If you order a new rifle, it will take longer than if you buy a used rifle. It will also cost more. A used rifle should be presumed to need a new barrel, but it does happen that there are some used rifles with good barrels. The ones with good barrels cost more, but you don't have to wait for a smith to chamber up a new one.

Why are there good rifles for sale used? Because as you are about to find if you start down this path, people are never satisfied. They always want "something new" even though the odds are it won't be any better than what they already have. Getting the money for that "something new" means selling what you have.

We have all been beaten more than once by somebody shooting 15+ year old equipment, bags, dies, presses, etc. (except barrels) -- Like anytime you shoot against Jeff Summers, Mike or Patty Jennings, Mickey Connely, etc. etc. etc. They are shooters, not equipment nuts. Most of us just nuts. I'm going to a match in a few days, and the rifle I'll take is 15 years old. I have 3 newer ones, but right now, the older one (with a new barrel) shoots better. The newer ones came about because I though something was a neat idea. The ideas were neat (drop port, dual port w/ejector, etc. etc.), but the new rifles don't shoot any better, primarily because I don't shoot them any better. Benchrest is full of people like me in that regard.

If you can find somebody getting out of the sport, you can pick up an entire kit for a good price.

Basic stuff works fine. I still use a RCBS Partner press, as does, I believe, Jackie Schmidt. Much cheaper than a Harrell or Hood; takes up a little more room.

If there is any one thing I might look for with used equipment, it is a rifle that has performed well in the past. All actions are not equal, but if there is a problem with the action (usually in the ignition system), it can be very hard to find.

Good luck.
 
Hi Fellas,
Met Canis, today.
Went to a real match. WWCCA.
A little different than at MonroeRPC. At Monroe 4 targets, 5 rounds each, 200y. + a little for the berm. 200 points. Benchrest for summer. 0930 and 1830.
I am an NG. 2nd yr.

AT WWCCA. 25 targets. 200y. 250 pts.
And there is a Target crew. :D They do a great job.:D

Question??
Which action would support 6PPC and 30BR?????

And why is there a 6mm BR site?????



Gotta keep and eye on the old guys.:D
 
So it looks like if I get serious about this Benchrest shooting I should go with a 6PPC if I shoot 100/200 for Group score and 30BR if I want to shoot for SCORE only?

canic lupus

I've had a fair amount of success in group and score with the 30BR. IMHO, it leaves NOTHING on the table to the 6ppc. Here's the issue though...weight. Most of the successful 30 BR's on the line today are 13.5lb guns, and a 10.5lb gun is a requirement for group shooting. There are a few brave souls:D that campaign a light 30BR, but to date, few have come out of the woodworks to shoot group matches. One shooter that I know that has done a bit of group shooting with a light 30BR is Dean Breeden, and he does hold his own with it. Michael Turner of NM, campaigns a light 30-30, and does well with it in both group and score. I will chamber another light 30 barrel this winter in order to do some more testing, although this time it will be a 30BR. I do have high hopes, but it'll have to be something EXTREMELY special for me to leave my 6ppc's off the bench when it comes time to shoot 10.5lb guns. The difference in recoil between a 13.5lb 30BR and a 10.5lb 6ppc is VERY noticeable, and a light 30 is even worse. When it comes time to get em all down there in a hurry, I'll take the 6ppc all day long.

There is no gun that can do it all. If you are going to concentrate on group shooting, a LV 6ppc is the way to go. If it is score that you will shoot, a 13.5lb 30BR will be the ticket. I wouldn't suggest a light 30 for someone who is just getting into Benchrest shooting.
 
We shoot both down here in Houston, I have assembled both for friends.

I think it's a toss up. That being said, the 30BR does have more capacity with no loss in agging capability, so in the end, it might be the best choice........jackie

Jackie, that's the sole reason I don't think the 30PPC aggs with the 30BR. Now the Grendel may prove to be the BR's equal, but that remains to be seen. Right now, I feel there is no reason to go looking for a better mousetrap than the 30BR in a Heavy gun. Just like there is no reason to go looking for a better mousetrap than the 6ppc in a light gun...
 
Question??
Which action would support 6PPC and 30BR?????

And why is there a 6mm BR site?????



Gotta keep and eye on the old guys.:D

Almost any custom action with a .308 bolt face will extract both BR and PPC cases. Ejection is another matter, my Bat actions will eject both but the BR ejects magnificently while the PPC ejects limply.

Why is there a 6mmBR site ? probably for the same reason there is a Benchrest.Com site but with just a slightly different emphasis. also check out

http://www.bench-talk.com/
 
Hi Fellas,
Met Canis, today.
Went to a real match. WWCCA.
A little different than at MonroeRPC. At Monroe 4 targets, 5 rounds each, 200y. + a little for the berm. 200 points. Benchrest for summer. 0930 and 1830.
I am an NG. 2nd yr.

AT WWCCA. 25 targets. 200y. 250 pts.
And there is a Target crew. :D They do a great job.:D

Question??
Which action would support 6PPC and 30BR?????

And why is there a 6mm BR site?????



Gotta keep and eye on the old guys.:D

I have a LV rig, based opon a Borden RimRock (RB/LP/RE) action, which admirably extracts AND ejects both PPC AND BR brass ! :eek::) I suspect, that with a large enough ejection port, other custom actions may work well. I can comfortably state that I am pleased with the RimRock.:) RG
 
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