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What do you guys think about necking a 6XC up to a 30. Do you think that it would be cmpetative with a 30BR.
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Why not
jackie schmidt
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This gets into the relm of when does a cartridge become overbore to the extent that extreme accuracy suffers.
A good analogy is the 6BR as compared to the 6PPC. The difference is that the 6BR has just enough more capacity to where when all of the chips are on the table, it isn't quite as accurate as a 6PPC when speaking in terms of agging capability. Shorten it about .125, 9to 6PPC capacity), and bingo, the magic happens. (keep in mind, 99 9/10 of the shooting world could care less).
The 30BR might be in that same familly as the 6PPC, in that it has that perfect powder volume-bullet cross section that makes it as deadly as it is in the agging capability.
Start going much over this, and while accuracy might not suffer too much, it might be enough to put it right there with the 6BR as compared to the 6PPC.
Of course, you can try it. Be my guest........jackie
A good analogy is the 6BR as compared to the 6PPC. The difference is that the 6BR has just enough more capacity to where when all of the chips are on the table, it isn't quite as accurate as a 6PPC when speaking in terms of agging capability. Shorten it about .125, 9to 6PPC capacity), and bingo, the magic happens. (keep in mind, 99 9/10 of the shooting world could care less).
The 30BR might be in that same familly as the 6PPC, in that it has that perfect powder volume-bullet cross section that makes it as deadly as it is in the agging capability.
Start going much over this, and while accuracy might not suffer too much, it might be enough to put it right there with the 6BR as compared to the 6PPC.
Of course, you can try it. Be my guest........jackie
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pbike
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Are we reengineering the wheel? Where did the XC you are speaking of come from? The first version was based off the .22-250 Rem, which was a Savage brass to begin with, the .250 Savage was necked to .22 cal to become the .22-250. The .250 Savage was originally the .250-3000 savage, the first commercial loading to boast 3000fps. The .250-3000, came from Savages .300 Savage. So isn't going from 6mmXc up to .30 cal, something like going from .300 Savage to .250 Savage to 22-250 Rem, to 6mm xc, and back to .300 Savage? I understand the newer Xc to be better brass than the .300 Savage, but why not just shorten .308 Lapua Brass?
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Donald
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OK, simple solution to this. Chamber a barrel in 30BR and one in 30 Savage. Select match barrels, tight neck and all. No doubt the 30 Savage will shoot great. But there is also no doubt the 30BR will shoot greater. I just know that it works. When I put a 30Br on one of my actions, I was totally blown away. Just why this cartridge/bullet/bore combination shoots so good is beyond me, but it does. And lasts forever or seems to. I also happen to know a certain individual that shoots a 30PPC and he is danged hard to beat, no matter what you shoot. I think it finally in the end boils down to agging ability, ie, will it do it over and over and over.
Donald
PS. Then of course you always have a maverick in there. Re: Micheal Turner of Cloud Croft New, Mexico that shoots a 30-30 in BR. He kicks a lot of butt with that rifle and I am sure the capicity of the 30-30 is pretty close to a 30 Savage, though I haven't checked. But I have shot against Mike. And looked at that beautiful rifle that he completely built, including action. Go...Mike.
Donald
PS. Then of course you always have a maverick in there. Re: Micheal Turner of Cloud Croft New, Mexico that shoots a 30-30 in BR. He kicks a lot of butt with that rifle and I am sure the capicity of the 30-30 is pretty close to a 30 Savage, though I haven't checked. But I have shot against Mike. And looked at that beautiful rifle that he completely built, including action. Go...Mike.
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Boyd Allen
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Paul,
250-3000 1915 ; 300 Savage 1920
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Hunter Benchrest (a score game) requires a a minimum case capacity equal to the 30-30 Winchester, (which is greater than that of the .30 BR). Over the years because of the availability of .30 cal. match bullets and the advantage that larger calibers have in score matches, there were/are a myriad of wildcats that were shortened .308s and .300 savages. The incentive being that the HBR weight limit is 10#, and the slightly smaller capacity cases resulted in less recoil. Actually, other than having more recoil, I understand that the .308 can hold its own quite nicely. Jumping forward a few years in the CF score game, Varmint for Score has developed which does away with the case capacity limit, generally is shot with a 13.5# weight limit, and has no scope magnification limit. (HBR has a 6X limit.)
So, of you yearn to shoot HBR the 6XC would probably be about as accurate as similar capacity cases that have preceded it, but for other forms of Benchrest there would be the disadvantage of additional recoil, which for most of us tends to be counterproductive over a weekend of shooting. I should add that I have not investigated the water capacity of the 6XC case,but would guess that it is close to HBR requirement.
What were you planning to use it for?
250-3000 1915 ; 300 Savage 1920
B Slagle,
Hunter Benchrest (a score game) requires a a minimum case capacity equal to the 30-30 Winchester, (which is greater than that of the .30 BR). Over the years because of the availability of .30 cal. match bullets and the advantage that larger calibers have in score matches, there were/are a myriad of wildcats that were shortened .308s and .300 savages. The incentive being that the HBR weight limit is 10#, and the slightly smaller capacity cases resulted in less recoil. Actually, other than having more recoil, I understand that the .308 can hold its own quite nicely. Jumping forward a few years in the CF score game, Varmint for Score has developed which does away with the case capacity limit, generally is shot with a 13.5# weight limit, and has no scope magnification limit. (HBR has a 6X limit.)
So, of you yearn to shoot HBR the 6XC would probably be about as accurate as similar capacity cases that have preceded it, but for other forms of Benchrest there would be the disadvantage of additional recoil, which for most of us tends to be counterproductive over a weekend of shooting. I should add that I have not investigated the water capacity of the 6XC case,but would guess that it is close to HBR requirement.
What were you planning to use it for?
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Hey guys thanks for all the insight was just thinking about a new toy and what to build
I know of a few fellas that are shooting a 30X47Lapua and doing quite well with it. However i have also been told that the 30X47Lapua might not be quite as accurate at 100-200 yards as the 30Br, and this is coming from a fella that's shoots both, and enjoys shooting both. Even with the x47lapua case i feel that you are over that magic ratio that we all have come to respect. I think it all depends on where you are with this game and what your goals are. For me, i know I wont ever be in the hall of fame, but i have a passion for shooting and i like trying new things. However even with that said, i have to have a pretty solid feeling that whatever i am going to try has a chance of working and working well or i wont spend the money, I just cant do it. I was all set to build a 30X47Lapua but after a lot of thinking and lots of reading, and lots of talking with other shooters i decided it wasn't the best move for me. I wanted one for varmint groundhog shoots, and even thought it would be great for that, there is only two shoots a year that i would be able to use it, and thats if nothing came up and i could attend. Plus i already have a 6dasher so my question to myself was, " Do you really need a 30x47L or do you just want one?" The answer was "I just wanted one". The second part of it "For Me" is, i have a young family and i cant splurge on every emotion or want that i have. I already have a hard enough time with that the way it is. My hole point to this is, Ya i bet a 30XC would work pretty well for the right application, but its going to cost quite a bit by the time you get everything you need, and it probably wont doing anything a good old 308 wouldn't do. This is just how i have to look at things. Deep down i bet it would be a lot of fun!!! Good luck with your decision and let us know how it works out! Lee
Skeet, note that the 30X47L has a real use..... it's a legal HBR cartridge, the very best one available on the planet IMO. MUCH better than the 30XC could be.
The 30BR, while it "may" shoot better than even the 30X47L, is a bastard stepchild of the BR craze and while it shoots just great it's not legal/useful for anything except point blank Group BR. It has given "Varmint For Score" (a novelty class) a shot in the arm but that's about it.
There are some REALLY accurate 30-30's/shortened .308's/300Sav etc guns out there, LEGAL competition guns, but it's certainly harder to make (and to shoot!) a legal HBR rifle than to throw a 30BR barrel on a PPC gun and go "whee!!! this thing really shoots!!"
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The 30BR, while it "may" shoot better than even the 30X47L, is a bastard stepchild of the BR craze and while it shoots just great it's not legal/useful for anything except point blank Group BR. It has given "Varmint For Score" (a novelty class) a shot in the arm but that's about it.
There are some REALLY accurate 30-30's/shortened .308's/300Sav etc guns out there, LEGAL competition guns, but it's certainly harder to make (and to shoot!) a legal HBR rifle than to throw a 30BR barrel on a PPC gun and go "whee!!! this thing really shoots!!"
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Dick Grosbier
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Varmint For Score is a Novelty Class ????
That is the most absurd Statement I have read here in quite some time. Varmint For Score has become bigger than Group in IBS with around 100 shoots a year and it is yet to be seen how big it will grow in NBRSA but the mere fact it has been recently adopted over the objections of many of the NBRSA "Old Guard" shows it is a real discipline.
Additionally the 30BR has won quite a few events out to 600 yards. While not the best choice on a windy day I shoot my 30BR's very successfully to 500yd regularly.
The IBS Varmint Hunter class has no case volume restriction, therefore the 30BR is legal for Short Range BR competition other than group. I campaigned a 6 PPC built on a 700 action for several years in this 6x class. It is the only class I have collected wood with at a G.A. Tournament...'07 PA States. After a 2 year layoff, and a rebarrel to 30BR, I plan to shoot this class again at each match along with a VFS gun....yes I preload and use danzac.
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Cheechako
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What pbike said. I collect competition wildcat cartridges and without spending a lot of time looking, I can show you at least 10 different 30XC type cartridges that were tried by competitors in point blank and long range Benchrest, IHMSA, and Silhouette. A wildcatter today has to think long and hard to come up with anything new or better.
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