30 br ??????

[KEITH MYERS]

Barnes .308x1.5-inch

Isn't Barnes the originator? I know it was not on the BR case but he formed the brass from .308.

 

[R.G. Robinett]

Barnes .308x1.5-inch

Isn't Barnes the originator? I know it was not on the BR case but he formed the brass from .308.

Keith, if you read the 'articles', I believe you will see that we provided due recognition to Mr. Barnes, and others, who employed 'short' thirty caliber cases before us: in shooting, especially wild-catting, there is [almost] no such thing as completely new, and, regarding viability, application plays a decided role. While the .308x1.5 Barnes was/is essentially, a 30BR, the Barnes paradigm, up to and including contemporary cast bullet cartridges, is not quite up to contemporary bench-rest standards. The concept, was completely different.

Using jacketed, lead-core bullets, at 3000 FPS muzzle velocities, WE 'discovered' and applied the adaptations necessary to render the 30BR competitive in bench-rest tournaments. And while thinking of names, don't forget Jim Stekl, who 'invented' the BR case design - not exactly a .308x1.5". Interestingly, following Remington's adoption/introduction of Mr. Stekl's cases (.22, 6mm, &7mm BR), a LONG interval elapsed before someone (Ronnie Long) recognize the [bench-rest] potential of the thirty caliber version! For a good laugh, check out the Sierra loading manual, where their gurus relegate the 30BR to the status of a cartridge in search of a use - I'd recon that, long ago, they'd pigeon-holed .305x1.5 at the bottom of the same file! RG

 

[Al Nyhus]

Al, ya see what happens when ya get 'old' - I even took credit for YOUR article, when I merely agreed to respond to your questions - shame on me! RG

Maybe 'unindicted co-conspirators' would be a fitting label?

Laffin', here...... -Al

 

[eww1350]

I have a software that lets one determine best load etc. for about 1,000 cartridges...it is called "Load from a Disc"...I have had it since 2000..it has in it's cartridge library a "30MS" when one looks at the case dimensions it is nearly identical to the 30BR...and I used it for load data and powder selection...since they did not have the 30BR listed...
Where exactly did the 30MS originate..???


Eddie in Texas

 

[KEITH MYERS]

Keith, if you read the 'articles', I believe you will see that we provided due recognition to Mr. Barnes, and others, who employed 'short' thirty caliber cases before us: in shooting, especially wild-catting, there is [almost] no such thing as completely new, and, regarding viability, application plays a decided role. While the .308x1.5 Barnes was/is essentially, a 30BR, the Barnes paradigm, up to and including contemporary cast bullet cartridges, is not quite up to contemporary bench-rest standards. The concept, was completely different.

Using jacketed, lead-core bullets, at 3000 FPS muzzle velocities, WE 'discovered' and applied the adaptations necessary to render the 30BR competitive in bench-rest tournaments. And while thinking of names, don't forget Jim Stekl, who 'invented' the BR case design - not exactly a .308x1.5". Interestingly, following Remington's adoption/introduction of Mr. Stekl's cases (.22, 6mm, &7mm BR), a LONG interval elapsed before someone (Ronnie Long) recognize the [bench-rest] potential of the thirty caliber version! For a good laugh, check out the Sierra loading manual, where their gurus relegate the 30BR to the status of a cartridge in search of a use - I'd recon that, long ago, they'd pigeon-holed .305x1.5 at the bottom of the same file! RG

Randy, I think we all could benefit if you wrote a book. Ever consider it between making bullets?

 

[Edwin D]

Mr. Robinett, Randy,

with your comments once again you exemplify "GENTLEMAN"!