30 BR & 30 PPC vs. 6PPC

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HFV

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I know this has probably been discussed 1,214 times previously, but once more please. I realize the 30's have the edge for shooting score, but I have friends that would like to read answers from someone they think is smarter than a dumb hic like myself. Which is the most accurate of the 30's, and which is the most accurate of the three?
Heaviest Fattest Varmint
 
SORRY BUT ITS ALL TIME RELATIVE.
30 br outshoots 30ppc
most 100/200 yd br shooters shoot 6 ppc, but some matches have been won by 30br.
i believe the current world record is still .009 held by a 222 ??
tell your friends to go read the results in the match section
mike in co
 
I have not read any match report w/any 30 winning. I think I did hear of Jackie Schmidt winning w/ 30 (not sure) ( I am speaking of group shoots)
My original ?? was which is the most accurate. (6 PPC or any 30)
I also have people say to me "6 BR is more accurate than 6 PPC for shortrange benchrest" but haven't seen any hard evidence (match reports)
Heaviest Fattest Hardheaded Varmint
 
Charles, I ain't never seed "the best barrel". Mr Dwight Sanders says we ain't in the hummer click, and therefore would probably not receive such.
I ain't even seed you for some time.
HFV
 
HFV said:
I also have people say to me "6 BR is more accurate than 6 PPC for shortrange benchrest" but haven't seen any hard evidence (match reports)
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And you won't see it. After many thousands of aggregates shot, and hundreds if not thousands of matches contested the consensus is the 6 BR is almost as good at 100/200 yards as the 6 PPC. If the evidence pointed the other way there would be at least 200 more people shooting it at Kelbly's every spring.
 
Also the current "controversial world record"
mike in co said:
SORRY BUT ITS ALL TIME RELATIVE.
30 br outshoots 30ppc
most 100/200 yd br shooters shoot 6 ppc, but some matches have been won by 30br.
i believe the current world record is still .009 held by a 222 ??
tell your friends to go read the results in the match section
mike in co
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ok hfv.....
make up your mind...group or score.......
my answer is correct for group for the 6ppc and correct for score with the 30br over the 30 ppc in score
there is no one answer today.......
mike in co
 
"""I also have people say to me "6 BR is more accurate than 6 PPC for shortrange benchrest" but haven't seen any hard evidence (match reports)"""

HFV, respectfully your listening to the wrong people..... The 6BR is a wonderful round but it AIN'T "got it" when compared to a 6ppc FOR Group 100/200 Benchrest.. Though "some" have won with the 6BR from time to time... Rare though.

Now, 300 / 600 yd BR... Now your talking... The 6BR and its derivatives have "IT"...

I too believe the 30BR CAN Agg with 6PPC's in Group... It's very capable, just tougher with the recoil and torque..

VFS ... 30BR all the way.... Even though from time to time a 6PPC shooter can get enough X's to win.

The match reports don't lie...... Ok, except for those lie'n about their components.... Hhehhheee.
cale
 
I shoot a 30 Major for the same reason most people shoot whatever they choose to shoot...because I feel it gives me the best chance to win. It's just that simple, and the only conclusion that you should draw from that is that's just how I see it. You'll just have to either draw your own conclusions or go with what the majority says, but simply being in the majority doesn't prove one better than the other. Nor do match results, as they are heavily weighted by the more popular.--Mike Ezell
 
HFV said:
Charles, I ain't never seed "the best barrel". Mr Dwight Sanders says we ain't in the hummer click, and therefore would probably not receive such.
I ain't even seed you for some time.
HFV
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Tommy, I'm using "best" in the relative sense, as "the best of the three," However, if it will make things clearer, put it this way:

Whichever is not using the worst or second worst barrel.

To get a statistically significant answer, you'd have to chamber up about 70 or so barrels in each chambering, and shoot about 70 targets with each. Use a rail gun in a tunnel. That would give you pretty good Standard Deviation data. Lacking that, I go back to whichever rifle has the better barrel and better bullets -- they're that close.
 
Charles E said:
Tommy, I'm using "best" in the relative sense, as "the best of the three," However, if it will make things clearer, put it this way:

Whichever is not using the worst or second worst barrel.

To get a statistically significant answer, you'd have to chamber up about 70 or so barrels in each chambering, and shoot about 70 targets with each. Use a rail gun in a tunnel. That would give you pretty good Standard Deviation data. Lacking that, I go back to whichever rifle has the better barrel and better bullets -- they're that close.
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Charles, I know that , and you know I know that. Just trying to get some good opinions to print out for those guys to read. (because they are scaid of computers) Hope to see you soon. Are you going to Reidsville any time soon?
 
anyone can have an opinion....go print some results........
 
My Own Experience

I have had all three at one time or another.

The very best agg I have ever shot was with a 30BR, a National Records Committee measurement of .154. That is about as "official" as you can get.

I still rely on the 6PPC for the vast majority of my Group Shooting. The 30BR is a HV, which limits it's participation.

For score, a "sub .200 agging" 30BR will beat the pants off of a "sub .200 agging" 6mm. But, the big catch here is both Rifles have to be tuned into that capability. A mediocre 30 is just that, mediocre.

Mike Stinnett of Oklahoma shoots his version of a 30 based on the Gredal Case, it is in reality a "30 PPC long". He does very well with it in both Group and Score.

In my opinion, while the 30 is just as accurate as anything, (by that, I mean it's ability to shoot sub .200 groups on a consistant basis), you have to really love it to want to put up with the extra recoil, and even cost, to justify shooting one in Group.

If it wasn't for the Sporter Class, I suspect you would see a multitude more 22 calibers. A 22 PPC Short just might out agg them all.
 
HFV said:
Charles, I ain't never seed "the best barrel". Mr Dwight Sanders says we ain't in the hummer click, and therefore would probably not receive such. . . .HFV
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Do you mean to imply that barrel makers test all their barrels before selling, and sell the good ones only to the guys in the clique? I don't think so. The reason some guys seem to get hummers more often than you or me is because they may buy 10 to 15 barrels at one time, shoot them, and find the hummer amongst them, assuming it exists. Years ago, that was how us mortals managed to buy some very good "used" barrels from the "clique" guys, at give-away prices. Most of those guys are dead now, or too old to remember their own name, so I don't know how it's done today.

JMHO

Ray
 
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Ray, there has been more than one instance of a shooter selling a barrel because it "just wasn't working", only to have the buyer try an entirely different combo and do quite well.......jackie
 
Jackie

I had one such barrel, years ago, that i bought from a well-known shooter for $100. He had shot it less than 100 rounds. I simply changed bullets and it became a true hummer for me. As he told me, he didn't have the time or patience to try different combinations. He did have the money to try a bunch of barrels every year.

Ray
 
Thank you all for replys. Thank you Jackie for your input.
jackie schmidt said:
I have had all three at one time or another.

The very best agg I have ever shot was with a 30BR, a National Records Committee measurement of .154. That is about as "official" as you can get.

I still rely on the 6PPC for the vast majority of my Group Shooting. The 30BR is a HV, which limits it's participation.

For score, a "sub .200 agging" 30BR will beat the pants off of a "sub .200 agging" 6mm. But, the big catch here is both Rifles have to be tuned into that capability. A mediocre 30 is just that, mediocre.

Mike Stinnett of Oklahoma shoots his version of a 30 based on the Gredal Case, it is in reality a "30 PPC long". He does very well with it in both Group and Score.

In my opinion, while the 30 is just as accurate as anything, (by that, I mean it's ability to shoot sub .200 groups on a consistant basis), you have to really love it to want to put up with the extra recoil, and even cost, to justify shooting one in Group.

If it wasn't for the Sporter Class, I suspect you would see a multitude more 22 calibers. A 22 PPC Short just might out agg them all.
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