220 russian vs 22 ppc short

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skeetlee

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Kinda something here i have been thinking about but know nothing about. I like the idea of shooting 22cal 52gr bullets in one of my ppc rifles for club level shoots. I have done a lot of reading on the 22 ppc short chamberings. They vary from .070 short to .100 short. I know the reason they shorten them up is to have that optimal powder burn rate combination. My question is, why not a standard 220 Russian neck turned a Little? How much less capacity would the standard 220 Russian be compared to the 22 ppc short .100? Would the 220 Russian case be an accurate chambering, or is it a bit to small? Like i said folks just something i was thinking about. I will have a 22cal barrel before summers end i just dont know what rout to take. Making the 22 ppc short brass looks like a pain in the rear, so i was wondering about the standard 220 Russian? Any thoughts? Lee
 
I didnt think about the brass stretch, but to be real honest i dont mind trimming brass on my Wilson cutter. I do see where it could be a problem on match day if your loading at the range. I guess you would need to have enough brass to cover the weekend without having to load the same brass more than three times. I just think it makes better since, than all the work thats involved in the 22ppc short. But what do i know!! Lee
 
Gene Beggs has his own version of the .220 Russian. The only difference is that the radius at the neck shoulder junction is .060 (the same as the PPC) instead of .120. He says that the smaller radius is advantageous in that it reduces the need to trim. When he brought out the cartridge, he made arrangements with Hornady to make matching FL dies. Early on there were some click issues that were resolved by making the reamers .001 larger at the back. If I were to contemplate a .220 Russian, I would give serious consideration to the Beggs version. Dave Kiff makes the reamers. Lew Murdica has shot the original version quite a bit, with success, and I seem to remember someone writing that George Kelbly has shot one quite a bit. Mike Ratigan says that shooting the .100 short is like cheating. Another approach is to shoot the full 22 PPC in a 15" twist barrel. A while back, I was having a similar discussion, (before the Beggs), with Bill Mellor. He told me that once when he told his friend Lee Six that he was tiring of the work required to make Walldog cases (.125 short, if I remember correctly), that Lee told him that the full .22 PPC in a 15" twist barrel would shoot as well. He built one, and it did. It might be interesting to see how the full length version would pair with the latest 8208, given that some have written that certain lots seem to be a bit slow. That might actually be and advantage for the full .22 PPC.
 
Francis,
Bill has been doing well in local matches for at least a couple of decades, and Lee had been around the block a few times himself. Back when the Cheetahs were the the latest barrel burner varmint cartridge, they were reported to have done some of their best work, with 52gr. bullets, and 16 twist barrels. If anyone wants to know what to use for competition these days, I would tell him to shoot a 6PPC with a 13.5" twist barrel. I was just passing along a little .22 information.
 
220 Beggs

Skeetlee:
I shoot the 220 Beggs and I love the little rifle! I have no case growth to speak of. I use Benchmark powder. I make regular paraire dogs kills in the 300 yrd range. One other thing that I think is important about this cartridge is that it doesn't heat the barrel up....just doesn't seem to be a problem.
 
It might be interesting to see how the full length version would pair with the latest 8208, given that some have written that certain lots seem to be a bit slow. That might actually be and advantage for the full .22 PPC.

UmmHuuu... Testing as we speak... Ok, this weekend..;)

N135...............TOO.:)


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