200 yards on Iron Animals

I wanted to add an additional note for discussion.

I was very surprised that there were NO SEMI AUTOS entered although they are allowed. I would have thought that the tricked out 10/22's would have been out in force. Since this event doesn't require true BR accuracy from the rifle it seems like a good semi auto could be competitive.
 
Missing in (auto) action.

At our club it is a rare match that a semi-auto is seen on the firing line: Even though we have a special class for them.

There were none at our first metallic silhouette match last Saturday. When we first started rimfire BR here nine years ago, most of the shooters had Rugers. The ones that stayed with us moved up to Unlimted. The others quit.

I REALLY would like to know what it would take to get those clack-clack boys involved. Putting them on the right end of the range could solve the hot brass problem. But that's not the big problem. Maybe if they were aware we have a special class for them?

OK: Another problem. They seem to shoot OK at 25 yards, be pretty bad at 50. None of the Associations have 25 yard matches. We do at our club, but they won't come to our matches either.

Solve the problem, whatever it is, and maybe our sport would have a better chance to GROW.
 
Joe,
Have you actually shot a decent semi at 50 yds with good ammo and windflags ??? You being someone who knows how to shoot versus some semiauto owner that might or might no have a clue about really seeing what a gun will do. I have not shot a decent tricked out 10/22 so I don't know what a good one is really capable of.

For the lesser demands of silhouette you would think a good bbl, good ammo and a decent shooter should be able to shoot a decent score. I can see the ability to get off 10 quick shots would be a big advantage over a single shot. I think that too many of the semi shooters aren't going to spend the money for better ammo which is so key for success in any type of match.

My AR15 in 22 magnum has an Anschutz 22LR match bbl complete with choke. I haven't really shot it at 50 yds but at 200 I had no trouble shooting a ram silhouette paper target 10 consecutive times. This bbl is probably a bit better than your typical 22 mag bbl but 22 mag ammo isn't typically of match quality. The CCI TMJ I was going to use seems to do pretty good although the ES isn't very good.
 
Joe, our experience is the same as you. We have had a couple of 10/22s in our long range silhouette shoots. All but one are gone. He shoots well, in the master class but can't seem to post a top score. I shot a hopped up one for two years before I switched back to an Anschutz.

And crb, you are correct. You don't need .2 or less accuracy but you must be able to do a couple of things. Sighters are not allowed after a warm up period before the match starts. We then draw for starting range. You must know exactly how much elevation to put on and you must also allow for the rise or drop due to the wind. You might draw the 65 meters starting position and it might be 2 hours before you shoot at 200 meters. Conditions change a lot by then. If your first shot isn't on and you aren't confident enough to know how many clicks to change, you could be down two animals before you get your first hit. We also don't allow wind flags except surveyor's tape at each berm.
Everyone talks about their incredible groups at 200 yards or meters, but it has been my experience that when the rubber meets the road, those incredible groups fall apart especially when you can't where the last shot went.
 
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At the match I attended they allow unlimited sighters on a swinger at each yardage. Once you start shooting at the record targets you cannot go back to the swinger and you only get 10 record shots. Misses are misses like in all silhouette matches. You still only get 10 minutes to shoot your sighters and record rounds. I really think most of the competitors at this match shoot too many sighters. Within 5 to 10 sighters I can normally tell where I am at and I go to the record shots.

MK, I think your format is a bit harsh.


An interesting note about the swingers at this match. There are two sets of silhouettes at each yardage with the swinger in the middle. Both sets of silhouettes are being shot at the same time. This means the swinger is shared. Two shooters are hammering it at the same time. Pretty quickly the paint gets shot off the center which can make it hard to see your impacts.
 
Thoughts on the 10/22

About ten years ago . . . Yea: It was ten years ago . . . I had two 10/22s. They both jammed and stove-piped often. Sold them and never looked back: Until three years ago.

A friend was getting out of the game, and sold me two Suhl 150s, a Hongisto Anschutz, a Walther, and (unfortunately) a customized 10/20 with a Lilja barrel, a heavy laminated wood stock with a flat forend, and some action work. The laminated stock had never been finished. It's been in the gun safe ever since, except when I took it out to the local gun shows. No one interested. Too heavy for a squirrel gun. If it did shoot well in a match, that would be one more reason for the Ruger Gang to say away from our benchrest matches.

Maybe I'll put a T-36 on it, sneek it out to the range and shoot it, when no one else is around.
 
Here are some final notes.

I don't think any joystick or windage adj rest will have enough travel to cover the entire row of ten silhouettes. You will have to reset the rear bag two or 3 times depending on which yardage. With my Farley Compact I finally figured out to move the stick all the way to the right before resetting the rear bag so I had the max amount of travel available and hence fewer resets.

Here are the final scope click adjustments for a Weaver T36 and Eley Black box in the 1075 speed:

From a good 75 meter chicken zero go up 49 clicks for 112 meter pigs.

From the pigs go up 44 clicks for the 144 meter turkeys.

From the turkeys go up 80 clicks for the 188 meter rams.
 
George,
Figuring out some better way of clicking the scope is definitely something I have on my agenda. My idea was to figure out how many clicks per full revolution. I need to get out my T36 owner's manual and see what it says.

Counting all them individual clicks is tedious.

Ray
 
MK, I think your format is a bit harsh.
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That's what makes it so tough. Remember our animals are bigger and we do have swingers but they are laid down before the match starts. Imagine it as a hunting simulation where you only get one shot at a target, no sighters. It may be tough for someone to get started but if they practiced at paper targets of the animals instead of using the actual metal targets, they would learn a lot about the wind and the elevation component of the wind very quickly. The ARA target isn't that easy either.

A T-36 has 72 clicks or nine minutes to a revolution. I do not use clicks. My 50 yard zero is at the first line which I call 1 and 0 minutes and 0 clicks. I call that 1.0.0. To go to 65 meters I go to 1.2.2 or the first line, 2 minutes and 2 clicks. Then if I have to go directly to 200 meters, I dial to 3.7.7 or Line 3, 7 minutes and seven clicks. On the new turrets we put a paper tape above the existing numbers labeled 0 to 8.
 
I may be wrong, but I think that I could shoot this game with my 452 CZ with a ten round clip about as good as with my 40X and lot faster. The CZ is my offhand 40 yard to 100 yard silhouette rifle. We may have the makings of another good sport.

Concho Bill
 
The results are posted on the CGC site http://www.cherokeegunclub.org/HTML53.phtml

I got a first and a second so I am happy. All the winners shot clean except for the iron sight guy [ that would be tough ! ]. 40+3 was the high score and [I think] three guys did it in three classes. Those little bonus/tie breaker animals are hard to hit at 188m/205y !!!! It is pretty cool that the 22LR winners equaled the score of the 17 cal winner. The 17 has a huge trajectory advantage. Next match I hope to have a 17 ready and if not I will shoot my 22 mag.

Ray
 
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