1/4" group or better at 300 yards?

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Is it possible? I was reading an old Hornady catologe with pictures of folks that sent in thier targets. One guy had a group smaller than a .25 inch at 300yards. Didn't give specifics. Only he used a 75 grain v-max.
 
Did they mention how many attempts it took to luck into that group?
 
Heck, the best I can do is one inch. Although I had two inches with the same load. If I watch the wind closely I can get one inch. I'm wondering if I bed my rifle it will help.
 
I think the 600 yard group record is .380" for five shots, so yes, it is possible.
 
tiny groups

I have seen a a couple of 0.0xx groups shot at 100 yds in matches. However they shooters still managed to get a 0.2xxx groups for the agg because they followed it up with a 0.3xx or even a 0.4xx. Last weekend I lucked out and shoot a 0.153" (5 shots @ 100) with my 30BR on a Savage action. But my agg for 5 groups of 5 was in the 0.4s. As others said, shoot enough groups and occasionally you get a real winner. I have shot some 4 shot groups at 300 yds with 4 bullets in the same. However, the 5th shot was the spoiler. Now a 1" group is very doable with even and can be routine with the right rifle, the right load, and a little ability to read the wind. tiny
 
sure, it's possible once in a great while

chucksniper said:
Is it possible? I was reading an old Hornady catologe with pictures of folks that sent in thier targets. One guy had a group smaller than a .25 inch at 300yards. Didn't give specifics. Only he used a 75 grain v-max.
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Go to a registered benchrest match. There you will see shooters who can occasionally shoot a legitimate (5 shot) 1/4" group, i.e <0.100" MOA at 300y.

That crowd won't be using a varmint rifle, nor Hornady 75 grain V-Max bullets, either. They'll be using far better stuff.

Take such boasts with a grain of salt. It's marketing, where fiction is mixed with a few kernels of truth.

Or put money against any non-benchrest shooter who claims such feats, and then smile as you walk away with his money in your pocket. Spend it in the real world.
 
shooting

bill in ohio i have a question.

what type of rifles, ammo and scopes do you suppose the miletery snipers use?

im pretty sure they hand load but im still curious?

thanks

bob
 
they use what they're issued

cwop said:
bill in ohio i have a question.

what type of rifles, ammo and scopes do you suppose the miletery snipers use?

im pretty sure they hand load but im still curious?
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M40 for Marines, M24 for army. Scopes and ammo per military contracts.

If they handload, it's at home.
 
There was a show on Discovery showing the hand loading of ammunition for Military shooters at Ft. Benning. I'm not sure if this is for the snipers as well, but it did show some hand loading at the base.
 
I think you could do almost anything...once. I even got married...once. Repeatability is what's hard.:D
 
Sure

Periodically, a shooter in Competition will hit a sweet condition that allows such level of precision.

Last week end at Midland at The Buffalo Shoot,, I caught a "hanging letup" at 200 yards, popped five shots down range as fast as I could load, and shot a measured .180.

But that is really not that uncommon. It all depends on the conditions at the moment, the tune on the Rifle, and of course, a little bit of luck.

Incidentally, I came in third in that yardage, so in my opinion, all I did was waste that .180.......jackie
 
300 yard groups

I held the world record for a short time with a .260 (actual group) Gary O'Cock is the present holder of the single target 300 yard world record with a .140
Dave Blazzard
 
steve b. said:
There was a show on Discovery showing the hand loading of ammunition for Military shooters at Ft. Benning. I'm not sure if this is for the snipers as well, but it did show some hand loading at the base.
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I don't know if I saw the same program, but it was pretty funny. What the guy loaded into the case looked like the medium I use in my tumbler and when he put the loaded round into the stack I could see that the primer already had a dent in it. It also showed a guy cleaning a bolt action rifle from the muzzle without any kind of muzzle guide.
 
The handloading at Ft. Benning is for the Army Marksmanship Unit. They only handload for ammunition for use 600yds and beyond (that may have changed lately). For anything closer, they use Black Hills ammunition during their matches. They have found that handloading is a waste of time for them at the shorter yardages. Now were talking off-hand/standing shooting...not benchrest. The only other ammunition that I am familiar with that is handloaded (I'm sure other specific marksmanship units do some loading) is 50cal sniper ammunition that is loaded at Crane Surface Warfare Center, mainly for SOCOM.

Black Hills has quite a few contracts for SOCOM and sniper ammunition. It is strictly forbidden for snipers to use their own handloaded ammunition in their issued rifles.

Hovis
 
I might add that -- separate from what the rifle could possibly do -- there are few shooters who could hold steady enough and precise enough to do that shooting. There's no latitude for human error here-- not even by an iota.

That's why the records are held by the best benchrest shooters in the world.

I couldn't do it. I doubt many could hold true enough.

What the rifle itself is capable of -- always a separate question.
 
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