Precision Rifleman Magazine July 2016
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i am in.
when you quit learning, you are already dead.
when you quit learning, you are already dead.
Here is my attempt to place it here. Hope it works. James Mock
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Boyd Allen
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It worked. On the subject of the article, I have found that I can have good results, for friends, helping them get all top component and smithing hunting rifles by treating the project as if I were the general contractor (except that I did it as a favor). I gave them a list to buy (and some help with sources and exact specifications) , then the metal work was done by a specialist with top credentials, and sent to the stock guy for bedding, a recoil pad and the like. For the short range CF game, the current bottle neck seems to be the wood and carbon fiber stocks. I have no workaround suggestions there. If you hand a fellow all of the parts and pieces and get a firm commitment as to delivery date, call to check two weeks before, and later if you have not received notice of shipping, we have had pretty good luck. giving the whole project to one guy, to do all of the purchasing, and work, generally puts things into a different time frame, and costs more.
jackie schmidt
New member
Benchrest is ripe with "follow the leader" syndrome.
It always has been, and always will be.
Mr Boyer laments about low turnout, and new shooters not being able to purchase the "latest and the best". I have been doing this for a long time, and I see nothing different in the situation from 1995 and 2016.
Great Barrels, Great Bullets, and Great Tuning. Combine those with an ability to read conditions, and that's what will win on a consistent basis.
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Dave Coots
64 Chevy 409 10.42 129
What I say, a couple
, Maybe 3 times here is what Tony wrote..
At least one is suppLIEr well know for lying. Mediacoricy is accepted. Most new guys won't put up with the bull$hit.
Later
Dave
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Boyd Allen
Active member
I think that a new shooter has a lot to learn about flags, tuning, and a host of other details. Are all matches won by shooters with wood and carbon fiber stocks? No, but the shooters who are good enough, and well funded enough to make consistent good showings seem to be gravitating in that direction. If I had to pick the order in which I was going to upgrade my equipment, assuming a decent barrel, I would first sort out my scope situation, not for how pretty the image was, but for how it held its adjustment. Being more specific, it is my opinion that the bottom 2/3 of shooters are probably not being held back by the lack of a state of the art stock.
Thanks James. Its refreshing to read comments from the top shooter in the Sport. Mr Boyers observations are based on many years of actual Competition. Successful Years I should say.
This type of input from the top Competitors in the Sport is especially beneficial to new shooters looking for a Hobby.
Glenn
Hunter
Chasin' the Sunset
Regarding the article, given TB’s standing compared to mine in this game, I hesitate to respond; nevertheless, I’m going to respond. He opens with, “Why is the benchrest game dying?” and concludes with, “We need more people in our sport.”
I’m not convinced that the game is dying, e.g., it’s interesting that the picture of the 1955 shoot at Johnstown (see post # 110 at http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?93774-Benchrest-History-Thread/page8) shows far fewer folks than several of the “big” matches of the current era. Also, the numbers shown at post # 17 at http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?95175-Raton&p=779011&highlight=#post779011 don’t, in my mind, support the conclusion that the game is dying. Furthermore, there are countless numbers of shooters who don’t frequent registered-type matches. No, I’m not convinced the game is dying.
As for “need[ing] more people in our sport,” I wonder if many folks make much of an effort to attract more shooters? I suspect not.
I’m not convinced that the game is dying, e.g., it’s interesting that the picture of the 1955 shoot at Johnstown (see post # 110 at http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?93774-Benchrest-History-Thread/page8) shows far fewer folks than several of the “big” matches of the current era. Also, the numbers shown at post # 17 at http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?95175-Raton&p=779011&highlight=#post779011 don’t, in my mind, support the conclusion that the game is dying. Furthermore, there are countless numbers of shooters who don’t frequent registered-type matches. No, I’m not convinced the game is dying.
As for “need[ing] more people in our sport,” I wonder if many folks make much of an effort to attract more shooters? I suspect not.
Dave Coots
64 Chevy 409 10.42 129
How are the matches going at Johnstown?
pipeline60
Kelly Ellis
Just saying
Having been in the short range group shooting game only 3 years now any time I see the name Tony Boyer I stop and look it over real close, several times, as I did this article. But the first thing I think I noticed 1st was the same blue rifle that was on the picture cd we received from the 2016 cactus classic,, about 400 times,, and on the mailout entry form for the 2016 NBRSA nationals . Its really a pretty outfit.
Kelly Ellis
Having been in the short range group shooting game only 3 years now any time I see the name Tony Boyer I stop and look it over real close, several times, as I did this article. But the first thing I think I noticed 1st was the same blue rifle that was on the picture cd we received from the 2016 cactus classic,, about 400 times,, and on the mailout entry form for the 2016 NBRSA nationals . Its really a pretty outfit.
Kelly Ellis
Hi Kelly,
400 times....????
Pull out a magnifier. That is Marsh Action(been around a couple yrs). Looks like a Panda......It's gotta be on a HV rifle. NF scopes variable are too heavy for LV. It does look nice though.
Just another nit picker.....It's part of the sport. Like how close are your eyes to your nose? I noticed this in 2009 at my first Super Shoot. My observation. MHO. The really good shooters. Their eyes are closer to the nose than most. IMHO.
My eye doctor mentioned this to me. After I asked her politics. She said most good shooters have their eyes closer to their nose. She hunts with handguns...Er, whatever....
pipeline60
Kelly Ellis
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?????? I was hoping nobody would take my # of 400 as the truth,,,or even. And thanks for the tutorial on action identification. I made a statement based on an observation I did make . It was meant to be somewhat humorous. Oh and by the way I will be taking delivery of my Marsh HV later next week to pair up with my Marsh LV that I bought in the Fall of 2015 . Happy Thursday from America
Kelly Ellis
?????? I was hoping nobody would take my # of 400 as the truth,,,or even. And thanks for the tutorial on action identification. I made a statement based on an observation I did make . It was meant to be somewhat humorous. Oh and by the way I will be taking delivery of my Marsh HV later next week to pair up with my Marsh LV that I bought in the Fall of 2015 . Happy Thursday from America
Kelly Ellis
I hear ya Kelly. Name recognition is important in any Sport/Hobby. Sometimes, all it takes is for some of the top competitors to just stick their head in the door(Post on forum), It doesn't matter what they say, just say something every now and then.
Good luck and have fun while you're addicted to this Sport.
Glenn
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Wayne Shaw
Active member
Same subject talked about several times each year: why is benchrest dying? There are a hundred reasons, what Tony said are a few. Search for it and you'll find the rest.
JerrySharrett
Senile Member
And adding to what Jackie said, hours and hours of serious practice. Practice that will wear a single barrel out in a few short weeks. Most younger shooters, raising a family don't have the time or the resources to become "top 50%" shooters. We are fortunate, now, to have 2 father/son teams that are doing really great. The Pineharts and Donald's are shining examples of what this sport needs, but they are exceptions.
As to the current down cycle, I have been in some group of registered competition for over 50 years and have seen them do up and down cycles. It just happens. The seasoned shooters get better, then get old, and it takes time for that sport to recover.
Top all that with this, now repeating, attempts to grab the guns from the law abiding, again, again, ad naus..
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James A. Kelbly
New member
I am sorry but I totally disagree that the reason BR short range is not growing like it used to is due to length of time to get a rifle. We build rifles for many types of shooting and the delay on building a rifle is the same in Long range, Tactical and other types of non short range shooting. As with other gun builders as well, so if Tony says the guy or gay trying to get into short range BR shooting and switches to another type of shooting because he could not get his rifle fast enough, then the person must have bought a used rifle for the other shooting competition, because it takes as long or longer to build rifles for other competitions. Believe me we build many types of rifles and they all take same time or longer than a short range br rifle. So to me Tony's theory is not correct.
The reasons I hear that short range Br shooting is not growing is most shooters today want to shoot Tactical and Long Range 600 yards plus. Everyone wants to be a sniper! Another factor is the serious short range br shooter shows up at a match and the new shooter sees the 20 plus barrels the serious shooter has in his vehicle and thinks this is what I have to buy to compete with these guys. Let alone the time involved in working up loads and trying out the barrels. How many barrels do you think Tony goes through a year to get his competition barrels or other top shooters. Short Range BR(SRBR) shooting is very anal and many people do not have time to do all that is done in SRBR shooting to win, so that cuts down on amount of people that find enjoyment in all aspects of SRBR shooting. Again this is coming from people who were interested in trying SRBR shooting and why they told me they did not end up shooting SRBR.
Just my opinion along with what shooters have told me as well
Jim
The reasons I hear that short range Br shooting is not growing is most shooters today want to shoot Tactical and Long Range 600 yards plus. Everyone wants to be a sniper! Another factor is the serious short range br shooter shows up at a match and the new shooter sees the 20 plus barrels the serious shooter has in his vehicle and thinks this is what I have to buy to compete with these guys. Let alone the time involved in working up loads and trying out the barrels. How many barrels do you think Tony goes through a year to get his competition barrels or other top shooters. Short Range BR(SRBR) shooting is very anal and many people do not have time to do all that is done in SRBR shooting to win, so that cuts down on amount of people that find enjoyment in all aspects of SRBR shooting. Again this is coming from people who were interested in trying SRBR shooting and why they told me they did not end up shooting SRBR.
Just my opinion along with what shooters have told me as well
Jim