An open letter to Lou

TSI243

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Lou,

I am loathe to respond on the internet to anything because, like you have done with Larry, it usually ends up as a mud slinging contest and I have little stomach for that, but I feel that you've made this personal and your post deserves response.

You cautioned Larry about publicizing this stuff, Larry didn't publicize anything, Rodney did, he talked about his wife’s indiscretions in his posting of the letter expelling him from the NBRSA. a few weeks ago.

A week or so ago you sent out a private email to hundreds of people that was a copy of Audrey's rant letter, the letter you sent out was a copy of the original rant not a copy off of the internet, how did you get that? How did you think that sending that out would help anything ? What was your purpose in finding that rant letter and republishing it? It is full of inaccuracies and twisted truths, and serves no purpose. So please explain why you would do that ?

Your statement that nobody has tried to remedy this situation is also pure BS. I suppose that you are currently talking to Rodney and he is telling you what he want's you to hear and not the facts, thats the problem!!

The truth is that Jack Neary, Director, North East Region has been talking to Rodney, and to you, trying to work out Rodney’s re-instatement. Jack has talked to Rodney after both of our board meetings.

I've chosen to not try to talk to Rodney directly because I have a hard time talking to somebody that lies to me. At the East West shoot in St Louis, after Wayne explained to Rodney exactly what Rodney needed to do and who he needed to talk to, to make peace with Team members, Rodney came to me, he started the conversation by lying to me about what happened during the transition from him and Audrey to the new team. He did not get a temper tantrum from me, as you say. The conversation happened in the loading barn at St Louis and there were many witnesses to that brief conversation. They can testify to how it went, there was no temper tantrum! During that conversation Rodney told me that he could tell from reading Nancy’s and Pam's resumes that they were not fit for and couldn't do the job! Because I consider somebody's resume to be personal and private information, and I did not send their resumes to anybody except the Directors, I asked Rodney how he got those resume's. He refused to answer me, when I asked him the second time he turned and walked away.

Prior to Jack’s attempt, Chris Harris , acting as an intermediary between us, was talking to Rodney trying to workout a settlement before the Directors meeting in St Louis.
In an effort to resolve this, Chris spent endless hours of discussion with Rodney, Chris Harris at one time offered to bring Rodney and I together for a face-to-face meeting and he offered to pay the expenses and buy our airline tickets for us to meet on neutral ground. I accepted Chris's very gracious, and generous offer but Rodney would have no part of it.

Rodney was encouraged to go to nationals at StLouis, he was signed up for them and choose to not go to there either! In your eyes, does all this effort qualify as “not reaching out to Rodney”?

I really want to pick up on a point you made: “The NBRSA was running fine until Gene took over as new president”. That is a very broad statement and it obviously implies that everything has tanked due to my involvement. So here is what our membership needs to understand. It is now clear to me that the management/leadership style of our previous president and myself are very different. I am not going to suggest here that the one style is better than the other but I can assure you that, based on what we have uncovered since the transition, Rodney and Audrey required a lot more supervision than what was provided. I am not going to regurgitate the gory details as they have been told and retold at this stage. And I can assure you there is much more to tell if need be. Rodney and Audrey appeared to have run the organization exactly the way they wanted to, with very little authority or ratification from our previous president or board. When I took over, I saw it as my responsibility to act prudently on behalf of the members and make sure that their actions were appropriate and approved from time to time.

The Browns, and by that, I mean Audrey and Rodney, had a highly unusual amount of control over the running of the NBRSA. The very first time that I asked Audrey for a policy to be formulated for subsequent board approval she would not accept any outside intervention. And that is where the crap started to hit the fan. That simple request apparently caused Audrey to suddenly and unexpectedly resigne. I can say this with confidence as Rodney admitted all this to Chris Harris. So I am not blaming the Browns for their insecurity, but I am suggesting that their refusal to work with the board and myself and subsequently shutting us out of regular communication suddenly plummeted the management of the NBRSA into somewhat of a chaotic state. One thing led to the next. They made plenty assumptions that were inaccurate and based their decisions and actions on these inaccurate assumptions.

So where we are today is not at all ideal and I wish that instead of dealing with all of this we were discussing more forward thinking ideas. I need people like yourself to be more productive and to start having fun and not working hard to tear down this organization . But looking back and knowing what I know today, I am not at all surprised that we have had to endure such and massive amount of bickering, rumor mongering, name calling, anger, resentment, and so on. The past is what it is. We cannot do much about that. We have reached out to Rodney and reinstated him in an effort to appease people who feel we were unfair in dismissing him. We took this decision mostly to meet you with your promise to quieten things down and to date we have not seen you change your tune.

There is another matter that needs addressing. There is an underlying accusation that we have done all we can to remove Rodney from the World Team and our sole reason for banishing him from the NBRSA was to achieve this goal. This could not be further from the truth. It is true to say that all team members that attended the meeting at Super Shoot were very concerned about having Rodney on the team, knowing about the huge problems we had uncovered and the circumstances surrounding a most disastrous transition. I think that is very natural. The Team members are spending lots of money to represent the US and they do not need to have a trip half way around the world wrecked with in-fighting. We have had those kind of trips before and they are not pleasant! But I was not in favor of removing Rodney from the team, and after that meeting I choose to do nothing. It was only after Rodney started bad mouthing the organization and riling people up, talking about starting new organizations, going to the IBS and all such that we did start thinking about what our next actions should be to make the problem go away.

Further, you have asked me to step down as president. I serve the members of the NBRSA and at the will of the board of directors. They elected me, and I effectively work for them. If they ask me to step down, I will do so immediately. I took this role on with the expectation that I would be able to move the NBRSA forward. I had no idea that I would be faced with a resignation so early in my tenure, nor did I ever expect that the transition would be so profoundly difficult. No body has ever had so much control over the NBRSA as did Audrey and Rodney. It therefor stands to reason that the transition would be challenging, but I truly expected the outgoing management to be much more helpful, and at the very least, not adversarial.

I think that most people in the NBRSA have had enough of all this, We all need to start acting positively. It is so easy for some to throw rocks at the organization. But sadly those rocks will only serve to hurt everyone. We have a fantastic sport. I am not happy that we have gone through this turmoil this year. It has kept me up many nights. But I am committed to each and every member enjoying this sport and to doing my best to further the cause of the NBRSA. To do that effectively, I need you guys to start thinking about the future and putting this behind us. If there are constructive suggestions coming out of what we have just experienced then let’s hear them and process them with dignity and intelligence.

Gene
 
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what you said

Well said Gene, I applaud you for trying to clear this up, you are a true gentleman. I truly hope we can put this to rest. I believe this is a dying sport, we don't have enough youngsters getting on board to replace us old guy's that are dying off way to fast.

Dan Honert
 
Great Post

Thanks for the enlightening information Gene. Hope to see you at the Blue Bonnet match next May.

Virg
 
JMHO but, Speaking as a "Non Member", who in their right mind would want to get involved in an organization with this kind of crap going on? I think most would turn and walk/run away as fast as they could.
 
GOOD LUCK at the world shoot! LOU: Get your head out of your ass!

I really don't see any need for you to post a negative remark at lou. I personally know gen and lou. They are both respectful people. If you have nothing nice to say about people in this forum,that's your prerogative, but we really don't need any name calling.
 
JMHO but, Speaking as a "Non Member", who in their right mind would want to get involved in an organization with this kind of crap going on? I think most would turn and walk/run away as fast as they could.

I have been involved in organizations that sanction completions since my youth.

I have found that every one of these organizations sooner or later goes through upheavals. These upheavals often are centered around the same types of disputes, mainly personal differences between those who are in current leadership and those that are not.

Organizations, especially those under the auspices of Non Profit Status, have rules that have to be adhered too. Most have a governing body elected my members.

Where disputes can arise is when a group of disgruntled members wish to bypass the rules and skirt procedures. This is often manifested in calls to remove the current leadership and install Directors who see things their way.

These disgruntled members choose to ignore the fact that the way you change things is during elections. If you don't like how leadership is performing, either run for office yourself or compel another member to run and be friendly to your platform.

The shock can come when disgruntled members find that they are in a minority, often times a very small minority. They tend to enhance their argument by being very vocal, and in some cases, not completely truthful about the events that have transpired, hoping that the masses will remain ignorant and succumb to bluster.

This is exactly what has transpired in the case of the upheaval that seems to be apparent in the NBRSA. The leadership has now responded with the truth of the matter. But I doubt those disgruntled members will pay much attention. Why? Because the true nature of their cause has not been satisfied.

I still think that in the near future, you will see a new Sanctioning Body arise. That might be what this is all about in the first place. It's a shame that in order to do this, a campaign of destruction must be carried out against another.
 
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This drama is not going to discourage me from joining the NBRSA

I want to try my hand at the short range group game next year so that means I'm signing up for NBRSA membership. I have no trepidation in signing up even though things appear to be in turmoil. I could go the club route, but why do that when I can jump right in and try my hand at shooting with the best in the business. The vehicle to do that is through the NBRSA. I'm going to get killed at those matches, but somewhere along the line I'll have the opportunity to learn from world class shooters and hopefully take my game to a new level. That's my short term goal. The long term goal is to kick all your butts. :D

I have no dog in the fight. The drama that has unfolded here quite publicly is very unfortunate. More than one seems to have gotten a bloody lip out of this as best I can tell. I have enough drama in different aspects of my life. Shooting doesn't have to be one of them.

I'm just a new guy. All I want to do is shoot.
 
I want to try my hand at the short range group game next year so that means I'm signing up for NBRSA membership. I have no trepidation in signing up even though things appear to be in turmoil. I could go the club route, but why do that when I can jump right in and try my hand at shooting with the best in the business. The vehicle to do that is through the NBRSA. I'm going to get killed at those matches, but somewhere along the line I'll have the opportunity to learn from world class shooters and hopefully take my game to a new level. That's my short term goal. The long term goal is to kick all your butts. :D

I have no dog in the fight. The drama that has unfolded here quite publicly is very unfortunate. More than one seems to have gotten a bloody lip out of this as best I can tell. I have enough drama in different aspects of my life. Shooting doesn't have to be one of them.

I'm just a new guy. All I want to do is shoot.



Just come out and shoot. You WILL meet a bunch of good guys and really enjoy it.
 
I want to try my hand at the short range group game next year so that means I'm signing up for NBRSA membership. I have no trepidation in signing up even though things appear to be in turmoil. I could go the club route, but why do that when I can jump right in and try my hand at shooting with the best in the business. The vehicle to do that is through the NBRSA. I'm going to get killed at those matches, but somewhere along the line I'll have the opportunity to learn from world class shooters and hopefully take my game to a new level. That's my short term goal. The long term goal is to kick all your butts. :D

I have no dog in the fight. The drama that has unfolded here quite publicly is very unfortunate. More than one seems to have gotten a bloody lip out of this as best I can tell. I have enough drama in different aspects of my life. Shooting doesn't have to be one of them.

I'm just a new guy. All I want to do is shoot.

Do both....it's good practice....
 
I want to try my hand at the short range group game next year so that means I'm signing up for NBRSA membership. I have no trepidation in signing up even though things appear to be in turmoil. I could go the club route, but why do that when I can jump right in and try my hand at shooting with the best in the business. The vehicle to do that is through the NBRSA. I'm going to get killed at those matches, but somewhere along the line I'll have the opportunity to learn from world class shooters and hopefully take my game to a new level. That's my short term goal. The long term goal is to kick all your butts. :D

I have no dog in the fight. The drama that has unfolded here quite publicly is very unfortunate. More than one seems to have gotten a bloody lip out of this as best I can tell. I have enough drama in different aspects of my life. Shooting doesn't have to be one of them.

I'm just a new guy. All I want to do is shoot.

If your local club does not shoot Benchrest. Start it.
There are a few flavors in BR.
At one club. We shoot 200y. score match. $5.00.
Put 5 shoots in 4 of the targets for 200 points/30 min. Bottom 2 are used for sighters. And I have used both to try to get through a match. Hang your own target.
End of season. They do some group matches.
Then the fun one. Varmint shoot. They shoot at pictures of varmints(some are color.). Sundays 1300 hrs....lots of mirage.
Also egg shoots, pool que chalk(my favorite), ......
 
I have been involved in organizations that sanction completions since my youth.

I have found that every one of these organizations sooner or later goes through upheavals. These upheavals often are centered around the same types of disputes, mainly personal differences between those who are in current leadership and those that are not.

Organizations, especially those under the auspices of Non Profit Status, have rules that have to be adhered too. Most have a governing body elected my members.

Where disputes can arise is when a group of disgruntled members wish to bypass the rules and skirt procedures. This is often manifested in calls to remove the current leadership and install Directors who see things their way.

These disgruntled members choose to ignore the fact that the way you change things is during elections. If you don't like how leadership is performing, either run for office yourself or compel another member to run and be friendly to your platform.

The shock can come when disgruntled members find that they are in a minority, often times a very small minority. They tend to enhance their argument by being very vocal, and in some cases, not completely truthful about the events that have transpired, hoping that the masses will remain ignorant and succumb to bluster.

This is exactly what has transpired in the case of the upheaval that seems to be apparent in the NBRSA. The leadership has now responded with the truth of the matter. But I doubt those disgruntled members will pay much attention. Why? Because the true nature of their cause has not been satisfied.

I still think that in the near future, you will see a new Sanctioning Body arise. That might be what this is all about in the first place. It's a shame that in order to do this, a campaign of destruction must be carried out against another.


Would you consider James Kelbly a disgruntled member. He started the very first post on this matter. I have found there are two sides to most stories.
 
no name calling!

I really don't see any need for you to post a negative remark at lou. I personally know gen and lou. They are both respectful people. If you have nothing nice to say about people in this forum,that's your prerogative, but we really don't need any name calling.

I Know and respect both Gene and Lou. Just my observation and army (old style) to tell a friend to look at WHOLE PICTURE! You are too P.C. get your head out your ass as well.
 
Mike, Jimmy

Contrary to how these posts may make the world of BR sound, it’s actually one of the best groups of ppl you could ever be around.

To provide some context for those not actively participating in the sport, all these ppl posting know each other quite well and most actually really like each other. Imagine any other sport where a hundred people would congregate, put in 10+ hours each day trying to beat each other, yet everyone is helping each other, sharing equipment, and genuinely wanting their competitors to do well,,,,,, they just want to beat them.


Pls don’t think that this drama is in anyway representative of what you actually experience at a match.

Come join in!

Mark
 
Would you consider James Kelbly a disgruntled member. He started the very first post on this matter. I have found there are two sides to most stories.

Based on James's remarks on this Forum, I would say he is not pleased with the actions of the Board of Directors in this particular matter.

Yes, there are two sids to most stories. The best we can hope for is people to make decisions based on facts.
 
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