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I just want everyone to know that Steve George shot a 743-27x 3 target postal match score that was scored by the professional scoring team here at Texarkana Gun Club. The only trouble is he doesn't won't to turn the scores in.
Larry Burchfield
 
So by "professional", you mean they do it for a living, or what? To me, the targets need to be scored by an observer. I guess its ok to VERIFY the scores using a "disinterested party" though.
 
LD
It means that they have scored alot of target and are good at it. The biggest thing about scoring targets is not knowing whose target that you are scoring because some shooters will get an edge on their score. Also you shooters on the left coast will find the "world target" easier to shoot if you put the target up with the sighters on the left and right not on the top and bottom.
Larry
 
Due to rain,we had to set up a temporary 25 m range and use a smaller target frame. So we had to turn targets to allow 4 shooters per relay..

We have learned,however, when shooting 50 yards,it sometimes is better to turn targets (NRA A36) with sighters horizontal to reduce risk of hitting 'record bull's' due to our local windy conditions...

We will be using LD's new 25 meter range next match and target frame is big enough for up to 8 targets with sighters left/right...but that depends on wind,so some of us may 'turn' the sighters horizontal....
 
Hi Larry, phenomenal shooting for sure!

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I just want everyone to know that Steve George shot a 743-27x 3 target postal match score that was scored by the professional scoring team here at Texarkana Gun Club. The only trouble is he doesn't won't to turn the scores in.
Larry Burchfield
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What makes it even more amazing to me, is that it is my understanding that Steve didn't shoot any sighters!

Reportedly he weighed and sorted his pellets and just brought enough for the record shots!

I think the whole intent for sending the targets for your group to score them was to have an impartial set of scorers/eyes verify his score.

It's quite a statement as to the equipment(USFT with Stainless Steel Bench Rest Barrel) and the shooter's ability to read conditions and break their shots!

I really hope he reconsiders submitting his scores.

Regards,

Tony
 
Left Coast?

Your statement indicates you suspect some of your club members are not very ethical when it comes to scoring. I really have not seen these issues at our club, and don't worry much about it.

Some of us shoot pretty fast ... I know I do. I often check out the targets of the other competitors after I complete my card, before we even take them down, and we normally kind of check out the fired targets as they come in, and can usually predict fairly well how we are all doing without even waiting for scoring.

I don't shoot the sighters much ... I rarely take more than a couple, and sometimes don't even shoot one sighter bull on a target.
 
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LD
It means that they have scored alot of target and are good at it. The biggest thing about scoring targets is not knowing whose target that you are scoring because some shooters will get an edge on their score. Also you shooters on the left coast will find the "world target" easier to shoot if you put the target up with the sighters on the left and right not on the top and bottom.
Larry
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Larry,
With all due respect, I know the dislike people have for California, but we are on the West Coast, and we are all in this together. When we start next years qualification all info will be on the back side of the targets, both of our scoreboards have a partition that covers the official sighters to the top, which will aid in eliminating that edge you mentioned about.

Wishing you folks good shooting,

Joe
 
Joe
No offense intended I was just joking around. I know where California is as I was stationed at the Seabee base at Port Hueneme for 3 years while I was off across the ocean saving the world (2 tours to Vietnam). I can remember going to my first Mcdonalds there in Oxnard in the late 60's. For a young boy from Arkansas that was quite a site.
Yes we are all in this world match together as a team
Good Luck to all
Larry
 
Yes Joe,

I've seen this done in even a more "secure way", where a sort of code was used, with a number assigned to a particular target that corresponded to the competitors' names on a "secret list" so the scorers didnt know whose target they were scoring ... apparently its done a lot by the rimfire shooters.

So far there has been none of that sort of ultra competitive security consciousness in our shooting matches, and I hope this doesnt change.

Have a nice Thanksgiving day.
 
Larry,
We have spoke through emails, my bad. Thank You for your service. Things have changed, that's for sure.

Larry, haven't heard of that one before and it does sound over the top, but we have been accused of just about everything, from shooting underground, above ground tunnels to having a dome and even shooting at short distances. I've learned you can't convince anyone if they are not ready.

You have a very nice place to shoot, saw the pics and good scores also for those conditions.

Happy Thanksgiving to you both,

Joe

Joe
 
Steve , GOOD SHOOTING , turn your scores in and be done with it and let the skeptics be skeptics. I don't see the point in ANYONE submitting a bogus target what purpose would it serve ? So you get a position on the team then what ? You still need to shoot the event and if your the guy who submitted the bogus targets your team mates are expecting you to produce at the bench. The guy who cheats and fall's flat on his face will be remembered as long or longer than the guy that wins.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Larry B thank you for your service.
Doug
 
Congratulations Steve. Looks like your hard work finally paid off. Doubt it was the grapefruit and warm weather. We bench shooters know the FT was never designed to be a bench gun. LD made a great basic real functional hardcore FT gun that preformed very well in that field. Us that try and refine this basic FT for bench work know a ton of work is necessary to take a stock .2 shooting gun down to .1 A lot of ducks have to get in line and a ton of testing, swearing and tweaking takes place.
This new international game requires a .1 gun if you just wish be competitive and old school methods and logic is not going to make it. Good thing you got some talent son or you would still be shooting at shotgun shells, cans and covering groups with coins. Must be that pesky benchrest mentality you have. You have shown us this game can be taken to a whole new level. LD and Tim must be real proud of you. The elitest title we have been given seems to have prevailed and the game is now forever changed. Let's get both serious and realistic for a moment...benchrest shooters whatever your feelings about them shoot the smallest groups on the planet....PERIOD Just check scores and the number of Xs being shot across this country. All advancement in accuracy is the direct result of their tests and findings.
Well, one might ask, just how in God's name are they able to do that? ....How do they take a stock gun and transform it into a competitive super shooter?.........The answer is simple.
They know something other shooters do not...... For you uninitiated, history dictates those that do not embrace their methods and findings are going to get beat by those who do. Does that make them elitest?......maybe...So what....What it DOES make them if you are smart is the best source of info in town on how to refine your gun. They are going to save you a ton of time, money and aggravation. They simply know what works and what does not. They also do not deal in BS. They sorted that out of their game a long time ago.
A brief history lesson on the rimfire game reveals that rimfire was stagnant for years until benchshooters slid into the game and overnight both the sport and accuracy changed beyond belief. History is going to repeat it's self here in air rifle also. I think I predicted that about a year or so ago in a post and got a ton of flack from the status quo.
FW Mann was right that cold December day when he put pen to paper writing to his shooter friend stating " If the haphazard quesswork and notions of the ordinary rifleman are going to be adheared to in spite of cold facts and indisputable scientific experiments, then progress along the line of truth will indeed be slow. One would hardly think a man in 1901 would be that astute.

Again friend, congratulations.
 
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Qualification Targets

Just curious how many have turned in a set of qualification scores. Is there perhaps a place for posted scores, where we can enjoy the success of our fellow shooters.

Since the Air Arms NJR I used in 1995 seems a little tired, I will be trying for a 12 ft lb. score.

I wonder who else in US may be shooting with most of those from Europe, who will probably shoot in that class. Weight was a problem with my EV . I removed a lot of junk to get under the weight limit.

On a UPS scale I am within the limit but I have still have a couple of parts I can remove if I should weigh over on a more accurate scale.

How sweet to hear about great scores from Texas. I still plan to make the long drive to meet you guys soon.

Bob
 
Awhile back I worked with Tim on a "Gen II" package, which incorporated some changes designed to update the gun a little, by making it slightly lighter and to give a little "crisper" firing impulse, along with a lighter trigger pull. This model is now the basis for Mac1's Benchrest package. I spent some time coming up with a model suitable for bench shooting, and in reality, there weren't a lot of changes required, though the ones made were pretty effective. The winner of our last two matches got his gun directly from Mac1 a few days prior to shooting in competition with it, and won right off the bat.

This BR version of the USFT rifle, designed for the type shooting we do, which is long range with .22 cal., has the larger airtube, stainless BR barrel, wide flat forend, and a shaft that installs under the buttstock to ride the rear bag. It uses the 'Upright Hunter" barrel block, but is bored to accept the 16mm barrel shank rather than the regular Hunter's 15mm size. .This gun offers the would-be airgun benchrest shooter an "over the counter" airgun tailored specifically for benchrest, while retaining the soimplicity and ruggedness of the original USFT rifle.

The large air tube effectively maintains a small shot-to-shot velocity spread even at higher power while maintaining the useful feature of only requiring a 1500psi fillup. The longer tube and barrel also helps put a bit more weight over the front rest.

So, while I HAD discouraged folks from buying the USFT if the intent was to use it for Bench Shooting a few years ago, I now feel its a pretty good package.
 
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Hi Joe!

Yes, I guess its hard to blame folks for being passionate about thier sport, since we don't all manifiest it in the same way. I have heard a lot about your accomplishments and fine shooting range, and can't wait to one day travel up there to see it all! From what I can see, you and i share a similar passion for fiddling with guns until the shoot the way we want, and you sure have the resources to accomplish them!

Though my main passion is still Field Target shooting, I'm sure getting more hokked on this airgun benchrest game as well. When I first started with , I was kindof bored by it, since the game was at short range and required flathead pellets, and I really didnt "take to it" until we started shooting fifty yards, but now, I see its all good, though I still feel its better for advances if we use the challenge of outdoor longer range shooting.

I think our club members are more into playing with the equipment than worrying about adding to the X count or scoring a point higher than someone accross the country, which is why we are not very reluctant to change exact game we play every couple matches at least. We know to keep the fun factor alive, we need to be flexible. Heck we nearly have as much fun in the after match potluck BS session as we do shooting.
 
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