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hailey

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Im having lots of trouble reading the wind at 200 yards.I wait untill all the flags are doing the same thing well so I think I am and shoot with a bad outcome most of the time.Any help would be a huge help I sure could use some hents or something to use the next time I get out cause Im getting tired of getting my butt kicked every time I get to the 200 yard targets.......
 
Well, for what it is worth, remember it isn't just having all the flags the "same" (a lot gets built into "same"). For any range, there will usually be one or two flag patterns that are easier to shoot -- more predictable. Shoot those. There is a range near me where that happens to be the distant flags point one way, the near flags point another. The tails give the speed. For that range, that pattern is very consistent.
 
Have you tried working on your load at 200, or do you tune only at 100 yards? Will the gun put 2 or 3 in a hole @ 200 on the sighter?

-Dave-:)
 
It's a lot more than just having the flags all point the same direction. Usually when a shot jumps out on windage I can typically spot one of my props that has slowed down or sped up.
 
Bailey, you are not alone. I have poor eyesight and seeing the tails beyond 100 is sometimes a chore.

Considerations;

-In the 2008 Super Shoot I shot over Don Neilsons flags and he uses the 2" wide tails instead of the usual 1" wide tails. Consider changing tail ribbon size.

-In the 2008 IBS nationals, at the Kelbly range also, I was shooting white 1" wide tails since The Pumpkin was too inconsiderate to travel from California so I could use his flags. Anyhow, at the #42 bench area there is a bare yellow dirt background so the white does not show up well. Consider changing color of tail material based on the background at that range.

-Shooting 200 yards and further is tricky to say the least. Very seldom will you catch all flags in the same direction at the same time and at the same intensity. This is where regular practice helps. This is where the advise above by Charles E comes in. There are patterns that are more friendly than others. Learn to recognize them as best as you can....not always easy.

-Sometimes a short prayer, just before the commence fire command helps....sometimes not, sometimes God must be busy doing something else.
 
crb said:
It's a lot more than just having the flags all point the same direction. Usually when a shot jumps out on windage I can typically spot one of my props that has slowed down or sped up.
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crb, learn to shoot the tails. The daisies have too much lead and lag time. In your example, you looked, you shot, the shot went out, then you looked again and the daisy had slowed down, but the tail was probably dropping when you looked the first time but momentum had kept the daisy spinning.

Also, get a second opinion, I'm probably one of the worst wind shooters on the 100/200 circuit!!
 
JerrySharrett said:
crb, learn to shoot the tails. The daisies have too much lead and lag time. In your example, you looked, you shot, the shot went out, then you looked again and the daisy had slowed down, but the tail was probably dropping when you looked the first time but momentum had kept the daisy spinning.

Also, get a second opinion, I'm probably one of the worst wind shooters on the 100/200 circuit!!
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crb doesn't have daisy wheels, he uses large (8-10 inch, I think) propellers from RC aircraft. They are quite a bit lighter and more reactive, plus and minus, than daisy wheels.
 
My props are 15" dia and I think they give an indication of what's really happening better than the surveyors ribbon I also have on my flags. You have to see these props in action to believe how well they work. These props will be ticking over when the surveyors ribbon is hanging straight down.

Also they do not block your view of the vane and actually help you see quartering angles.
 
JerrySharrett said:
crb, learn to shoot the tails.!!
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Jerry, I have the same problem you do, poor eyesight. I am extremely near-sighted. Also I have a blind spot in the center of vision in my left eye so I have to watch the flags with my head up off the scope. I have not practiced touching off the shot while not looking through the scope [ watching the flags instead ] but I think that should be something I look at in the future as I gain more experience.
 
crb said:
Jerry, I have the same problem you do, poor eyesight. I am extremely near-sighted. Also I have a blind spot in the center of vision in my left eye so I have to watch the flags with my head up off the scope. I have not practiced touching off the shot while not looking through the scope [ watching the flags instead ] but I think that should be something I look at in the future as I gain more experience.
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crb, I have the entire center of the left eye gone (200/20) and a long spot in the right eye just where the row of flags are for a RH shooter (80/20). Some people can shoot heads up, if everything is set correctly and you shoot COMPLETELY free recoil. I seem to do better to look, get in the scope, then shoot, and as many of the old BR shooters say "let the gun do the work".

It seems that a well tuned benchrest rifle will shoot better if I don't try to help it. i.e. unless things are really bad, just let the gun shoot and don't try to do much holding off.

I learned years ago that a well trimmed airplane could fly itself better than a 30 hour student. A well tuned BR gun seems to do the same.
 
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I tune at 100 yrds I dont think the tune is the problem the gun will shoot bug holes at 100 and if theres no wind it will do the same at 200. this is my problem,,I shoot in the mid too low 2s at 100 get to the 200yrd targets and it turns into a huge mess..I dont hold for wind I try to wait for same cond.this might be the problem no one has ever showed me how and where to hold so Im sure its a wind reading problem .
 
200 yd partner

Hailey,

Posts are on top of it...

I'll add..............

Especially at 200yds it's real helpful to tune AND test with a partner...!!!
One or two sets of flags for two shooters on adjacent benches...

Much can be learned..! Very helpful.

I agree with Dave S.... Typically a condition will hold for two maybe three shots. Will the Gun, Bags, Load, Shooter put the bullets in a tight knot..?

If it won't in a consistent manner (as long as the condition holds) then equiptment tune-up is needed...

Shoot as often as yak can at 200 especially with a fellow Benchrest shooter whom is looking to equally gain effective 200yd knowledge for at least that particular rifle range..... They ALL are different....!;):eek::cool:

Good luck,
cale
 
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