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pacecil

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OK Wilbur, I'm looking through all the threads you left. Kinda boring! You threw out all the good stuff, all the bad and silly stuff, all the "scientific" stuff, all the "from another planet" stuff! What are we supposed to do now that we don't have Calfee's "new physics" to study and ponder over? I'm going to have to find me a new forum!
 
Kinda makes you wonder don't it. I wonder who's left. I see no posts from Beau, Martin, Calfee/Beau, Jetmugg and a few other typically active people. Maybe it was just wholesale banishment. I guess you and I survived the purge anyway amongst a few more.

I guess we can do as Beau suggested and discuss gun cleaning. So what's your procedure? I just never clean mine. Too much trouble.
 
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I'm here.

I'm still here. I just didn't go back to check which threads were deleted.

Varmint Al's website is probably the best place to go for factual information and FEA models.

SteveM
 
Maybe start up a thread on how all the engineering principles came into play when you won a National Championship, or won matches, or won anything. It's a BR forum. How you test ammo and how you read wind on different ranges. How to shoot well in a 15 mph cross wind, head wind, etc.. That'd get some attention. Maybe someone could actually learn something from such a thread.

This place is kind of what you make it, you put trash on it, that's all folks have to read. You cop an attitude and someone will cop one with you, not many sheep here. Put good info on it, and folks have good stuff to read.
I was always interested in what Bill Calffee had to say, and I'd like to see him back posting again, although Beau does a good job doing it, it's just not quite the same.
 
One mans trash is another mans treasure...and vise versa...
 
Question about ammo

What does GOOD ammo cost per box? We think we are paying 10 dollars and change for Black Box, that is a Joke, Alot of the test lots we buy end up as warm up as they do not work,have to pay shipping on small test lots, have to pay extra because you do not buya case, test and think you have found something that works weather or something changes and you are setting with half case of ammo that shoots like crap,,more stuff comes in and you order test lots again this time you find the CROWN JEWEL OF AMMO call to get some but it is all gone. never ending process. Now do you think we are paying 10 dollars and change for Black Box...Just a thought,,, What do you think?,,,, Am I right or wrong Kent
 
Jerry Mcfall said:
What does GOOD ammo cost per box? We think we are paying 10 dollars and change for Black Box, that is a Joke, Alot of the test lots we buy end up as warm up as they do not work,have to pay shipping on small test lots, have to pay extra because you do not buya case, test and think you have found something that works weather or something changes and you are setting with half case of ammo that shoots like crap,,more stuff comes in and you order test lots again this time you find the CROWN JEWEL OF AMMO call to get some but it is all gone. never ending process. Now do you think we are paying 10 dollars and change for Black Box...Just a thought,,, What do you think?,,,, Am I right or wrong Kent
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Jerry you are dead nuts on! And that is what is killing our sport a young working man with a family just cant afford to shoot 1 to 1-1/2 cases of ammo a year anymore.The guns and scopes are by far the cheap part of it you only need to buy them once,that darn ammo just goes pow and its gone.
 
Sorry Kent

I have tried many times to get people to talk about how they shoot different winds and, since no one says much, I guess it's a 'secret'.:rolleyes:
 
B. Harvey said:
I have tried many times to get people to talk about how they shoot different winds and, since no one says much, I guess it's a 'secret'.:rolleyes:
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I don't know that it's a secret. I'll tell you what I do if you ask a specific question and I can easily agg around 2100 over a 100 targets. Thing about it, it may not work for you.
 
Madrox:

I am asking a specific question.. How do you agg 2100 for over 100 targets..???

Dave
 
Pacecil

Whats left Pacecil is for you to show up at a match and put to use all your theories. See you soon? Fred
If half of your stuff works you'll be the best in the country!!! Come show us country boys just how good you are.
 
McFall,
You're right of course. I've told several folks that procurring good ammo when you need it is the single biggest turn off in thsi BR game. The past year I've been shooting up old lots from 2006 and 2005. I did trade some with a freind and picked up a few bricks of 2007 ammo that shot well in my 10.5 rifle. I got a couple of bricks of Tenex from Bob to finish out the season and it was ok. I didn't test it, just bought it. Figured one of my 3 rifles would shoot it, and they all did ok with it. Luck.

I used to buy 7 or 8 cases a year and sell off the discards, but I finally gave up on that because it was too much of a hassle. If you're going to shoot top scores you gotta buy and test a bunch of ammo or get real lucky, which don't happen often, but it happens.

I have to re-supply for next year. Hope some comes in before the indoor matches start! I've sat out several matches because I didn't have ammo worth shooting this season.
 
Jerry Mcfall said:
What does GOOD ammo cost per box? We think we are paying 10 dollars and change for Black Box, that is a Joke, Alot of the test lots we buy end up as warm up as they do not work,have to pay shipping on small test lots, have to pay extra because you do not buya case, test and think you have found something that works weather or something changes and you are setting with half case of ammo that shoots like crap,,more stuff comes in and you order test lots again this time you find the CROWN JEWEL OF AMMO call to get some but it is all gone. never ending process. Now do you think we are paying 10 dollars and change for Black Box...Just a thought,,, What do you think?,,,, Am I right or wrong Kent
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Just passing through. Rarely post anymore but I look once in a great while but thought I'd second your post. Been there, done that. That's one major reason I have at least 7 or 8 fine rifles built by the good smiths we all know that are virtually unused and haven't had a trigger pulled in over 2 years. Fuel prices back then I suppose was the straw that helped break the camels back also. Now I'm so old It is against my religion to get up at 4-5AM and drive 2+ hours to a match besides. So I just ride my motorcycles most of the time and see how my old BR friends are doing.
 
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wb9uze said:
Just passing through. Rarely post anymore but I look once in a great while but thought I'd second your post. Been there, done that. That's one major reason I have at least 7 or 8 fine rifles built by the good smiths we all know that are virtually unused and haven't had a trigger pulled in over 2 years. Fuel prices back then I suppose was the straw that helped break the camels back also. Now I'm so old It is against my religion to get up at 4-5AM and drive 2+ hours to a match besides. So I just ride my motorcycles most of the time and see how my old BR friends are doing.
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sounds like a plan to me i've rode mine about 12K since I got out of he hospital last year. Didn't get to start rideing till last of Jan. of this year. justmight ride my bike to a few matchs next season, someone might let me shoot their backup rifle pay em for 2 or 3 boxs of ammo. might be fun again
Gary
 
Lapua x-act, midas +,& center x

Lapua has ammo at $8.80 that will compete with or beat black box in competition yet the vast majority of shooters are caught up with which speed, which machine, and other voodo that can be thought up they can't possibly beleve that Lapua might be a viable alternative at a better price. as most of you know I have competed with Lapua since beginning my competition shooting. I have come a long way learning the sport, and have a long way to go to be considered a top shooter. I have my good days and bad. when on the good days I manage to nudge out some of the great shooters who are using there finest Eley it keeps me wondering, is this just a heard mentality? I know this will probably raise a lot of flack and I don't mean to shake the foundations of bench rest competition but after hearing the complaints and crys over Eley I have to wonder what might happen if some of these people would build there guns and tune them for Lapua?
 
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Madrox:

So, what is the answer to my question..???

Dave
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Dave,

I guess you're going to have to be a little more specific because I thought I answered right under your post.

You could be arguing some kind of semantics thinking a target is the bull, which it's not. You don't go over to ARA and order cards, you order targets, each of which has 25 bulls.

If you can't understand it any way other than that think of it this way. I've heard, and I'm sure you've heard "he agg'ed over 2200 (or whatever, for a six card tournament), which is saying his average of the total six tragets (cards are targets) was over 2200. So, now apply that to 100 targets and you have the answer unless your question is someting else entirely.
 
Charles2442 said:
Lapua has ammo at $8.80 that will compete with or beat black box in competition yet the vast majority of shooters are caught up with which speed, which machine, and other voodo that can be thought up they can't possibly beleve that Lapua might be a viable alternative at a better price. as most of you know I have competed with Lapua since beginning my competition shooting. I have come a long way learning the sport, and have a long way to go to be considered a top shooter. I have my good days and bad. when on the good days I manage to nudge out some of the great shooters who are using there finest Eley it keeps me wondering, is this just a heard mentality? I know this will probably raise a lot of flack and I don't mean to shake the foundations of bench rest competition but after hearing the complaints and crys over Eley I have to wonder what might happen if some of these people would build there guns and tune them for Lapua?
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If it could, it would and people would be using it. It can't and it won't, at least not consistently, and that's why people don't use it as much as Eley. Lapua, and I'm sure this will cause great crying and nashing of teeth, does not seem to understand the requirements for top notch ammo. That seemed to happen when the East (former) Germans took over. Sure, they make enough of it and law of averages says some will be good. In general, Eley is head and shoulders above it.
 
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