What size groups at 100 yards?

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gc4895

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What size groups are needed to be competitive at 100 yards with smallbore rifles? I'm getting .6inch to .9inch groups on a regular basis from my rifle using moderate cost ammo. What should I be "shooting" for?

Thanks!
 
depends on the competition

If you are shooting moderate price ammunition and obtaining groups (outside edge) of .6-.9", then that is good performance. For smallbore prone, if you find a combination rifle/ammunition that can do .75-.80", you are in good shape.
 
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wow what ammo are you using i want to know? what rifel i want to know this also?

i want to come shoot with you i cant do that at 50 yards with a fine b/r with any cheap ammo. the best i can do has to be 10.00 a box ely wholesale cost.

tell us more

bob
 
I bought a new savage thumbhole SS repeater. It did not shoot like I thought it should. I called and asked what their expected accuracy was, and was told 1" or better at 100yds. Sent mine back the same day. 3 weeks later new rifle shows up at my gun dealer. It has a target 3 shots @ 100yds .8 " Federal Gold Medal. This one really shoots, under 1/2" @ 50yds
 
I bought a new savage thumbhole SS repeater. It did not shoot like I thought it should. I called and asked what their expected accuracy was, and was told 1" or better at 100yds. Sent mine back the same day. 3 weeks later new rifle shows up at my gun dealer. It has a target 3 shots @ 100yds .8 " Federal Gold Medal. This one really shoots, under 1/2" @ 50yds

In my post, I was assuming (yeah...I know...) that you were talking about 10 shot groups. To be honest, a 3 shot group for rimfire testing is not worth much. I have already put 3 shots in one enlarged hole.....its 10 shot groups that matter (at least for smallbore prone).
 
Look benny, I just wrote what savage reported. This is an off hand stand up and shoot it gun. I hope you don't shoot 10 shot groups to show how great you are, because after 5 shots the next 5 should all fit inside the first 5. I believe 3 shots prove the gun 5 prove the shooter. My best ARA score is a certified 2400, I can't beat the local shooters, so if you want to come up here and teach me how, I am always willing to learn from a master such as yourself.
 
pokerplayer

I know you don't know who
1813Benny
Is.
If you did you would show him respect.
He is a
Champion-:)
 
Thats OK, he doesn't know me either. Respect is hard to come by these days, I hope to shoot with him someday, and get to know him.. The respect that you think I should show him, will come from him as an individual, not his shooting, or words on a forum. He is blessed to have friends, like you who know and respect him. I can only surmise that he must be an excellent shooter and individual. I also hope that all of his ten shot groups fall within the boundaries of his first five shots.




I would rather be lucky than good, and smart enough to know the difference
 
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fred

i found some ara targets they are very tough i tried cheap ammon finally i settled on eley and even with my poor eyesight i find i can hit something 90%of the time!

now this sport isnt 1022 stuff it s a very slow precision shooting at a very small target. looking through a 34 power scope each heartbeat is noticible and this is a problem so no i am working on breathing.

so hard as it is to admit you were right old guy. wisdom works everytime doesnt it? my big problem was accepting i have to spend the 10.00 a box to compete within myself. no more flyers going everywhere. no more shooting a round of 5 bullets and they hit but the next five all over the place somewhere else..

now at 10.00 a box this isnt a shellburner type of game is it?

good shooting

bob
 
some insight to my responses....

Look benny, I just wrote what savage reported. This is an off hand stand up and shoot it gun. I hope you don't shoot 10 shot groups to show how great you are, because after 5 shots the next 5 should all fit inside the first 5. I believe 3 shots prove the gun 5 prove the shooter. My best ARA score is a certified 2400, I can't beat the local shooters, so if you want to come up here and teach me how, I am always willing to learn from a master such as yourself.

followed later by....
Thats OK, he doesn't know me either. Respect is hard to come by these days, I hope to shoot with him someday, and get to know him.. The respect that you think I should show him, will come from him as an individual, not his shooting, or words on a forum. He is blessed to have friends, like you who know and respect him. I can only surmise that he must be an excellent shooter and individual. I also hope that all of his ten shot groups fall within the boundaries of his first five shots.




I would rather be lucky than good, and smart enough to know the difference

First, I missed the fact that I was responding to two seperate people....with the original posting by gc4895. It was at that point that I cross-posted on the topic at hand.

As for my responses, I was only attempting to provide insight as to what would be considered competitive, as I indicated that it was for conventional smallbore prone. (To my knowledge, rimfire benchrest is fired almost exclusively at 50 yards, so I was only referencing smallbore prone where I am very familiar with the performance capability of rimfire rifles and ammunition.) In that event, of the 8 targets fired each day, at least 3 are at 100 yards with 20 shots fired per target. For competitors to be in the running, their rifle/ammunition combination should be capable of 1" groups, with those in the .7-.85 range being a significant advantage with a 1" x-ring. This allows for greater human error in both hold and reading of the conditions.

With regards to 3 shot versus 10 shot groups, I did not intend to inferr any disrespect. What I was attempting to convey is the fact that with rimfire ammunition testing, one must use a significant "sample" to fully evaluate the capability of the ammo/rifle combination, especially at 100 yards. While a 3 shot sample can demonstrate a level of accuracy, the larger sampling of shots will outline the consistency of that level of performance. Taking a step back, what is better.... a rifle/ammo combination that will shoot a .9" group at 100 yards EVERY TIME or one that will shoot a .9" group 1 time in 10?

I don't shoot 10 shot groups "to show how good I am". I use (multiple) 10 shot groups at 100 yards to thoroughly test my ammunition to make sure that I have the best possible performance out of my ammo/rifle combination. I am certain that similar testing is done by rimfire benchrest shooters, only they typically direct their focus and performance evaluations at 50 yards.

Furthermore, I never claimed to shoot from the bench nor to be an expert in that discipline. However, I can provide a significant level of insight as to what performance levels can be attained with a .22 rimfire at 100 yards.

I was not attempting to insult anyone or their equipment. If you feel slighted, then I apologize.
 
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hey i wasnt trying anything with you just listening and learning. the decipline you are doing is called siloutte i cant spell woth a darn and if you are doing what you say you are doing you are a great blessed shooter.

i have a neighbor that does this h/power and he is a fantastic shot out to 30yrds and egg shooting on top of that. i just cant do it. if you thought i was poking fun or anythng please forgive me.

i disrespect no man

bob
 
Thanks for the input!

1813 Benny, thank you very much for your thoughtful reply. I'm just trying to get a sense of how my rifle/ammo combination is shooting. I shoot prone at 100yds and offhand/kneeling at 50yds. I really had no idea that rimfire benchrest is shot more often at 50yds. This makes sense in the context of the groups reported. I always shoot 10 shot groups. Fewer than that, in just my personal view, doesn't prove anything except it's always statistically much easier to group fewer than more. In my experience, after 10 you just don't learn that much more information. Ability to repeat a certain performance over multiple groups is also key.

I'm having a lot of fun ammo testing. I also am experimenting with a Heinrich3 vibration damper. My experience is that it has reduced my group size by a measurable amount.
 
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