What can be used for BR 25m in the HV class?

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buggsson

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Presently, I don't have a HV rifle (WRABF / ERABSF rules), only a LV rifle. However, if I know myself I will buy myself a HV rifle as soon as I can, if only I can get enough cash, and when that day comes, I want to be ready with some solid tips for what to look for. Everything that works with great results are of interest.

So just go ahead and drown me in tips, and I'll be happy.
 
buggsson said:
Presently, I don't have a HV rifle (WRABF / ERABSF rules), only a LV rifle. However, if I know myself I will buy myself a HV rifle as soon as I can, if only I can get enough cash, and when that day comes, I want to be ready with some solid tips for what to look for. Everything that works with great results are of interest.

So just go ahead and drown me in tips, and I'll be happy.
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Under the WRABF/ERABSF rules (same for UKBR22) there is little difference between the LV & HV classes. Most people use the same for both (a LV rifle)

You might need another HV rifle if you wanted to shoot in the 20ft/lb class, although most don’t bother and use the same rifle.

The most easily accessible competitive rifle for you would probably be the Air Arms EV2.

Have a look at the World Postal results we held in January, might give you some ideas: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53488303/World%20Air%20Postal%20Final%20Results.xls

We are holding another competition in March, join in, costs nothing and you can see how you stand up against other shooters.

Brian
 
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Hi Buggson,

In regard to your question yes a LV like the EV2 is suitable for both but if the wind comes up the LV is dissadvataged.

I can't tell by your name on here if you are part of Team Sweden for the European & World Cup Champs in Plzen, if you are you will get many ideas at this World Event. If not Postals are good way too, though the WRABF being in a Championship year will not hold one in 2013 so you need to look for others like the UKBR22 Brian Kelly is promoting.

WRABF will have another World Postal next year for our members.
 
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Bill Collaros said:
In regard to your question yes a LV like the EV2 is suitable for both but if the wind comes up the LV is dissadvataged.

I can't tell by your name on here if you are part of Team Sweden for the European & World Cup Champs in Plzen, if you are you will get many ideas at this World Event. If not Postals are good way too, though the WRABF being in a Championship year will not hold one in 2013 so you need to look for others like the UKBR22 Brian Kelly is promoting.

WRABF will have another World Postal next year for our members.
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Bill, yes, I am part of Team Sweden, I'm one of the "founding fathers" of our new federation.

What you wrote about the EV2 and wind is the cause of why I'm thinking of getting a HV rifle as well. And wind, well, I guess I have to learn how to read it as well, but that will have to come along as I get more experienced I guess.

Postals sounds interesting, I'll look into that UKBR22 site later on when I have practiced a bit.

I've been trying to figure out what caliber to go for as well, but I hear opposing views all the time so I don't know what to think. Or is it of no importance? What does most people who shoot 25m BR use, and why?
 
The experts are the USA they should be able to answer this, i have found .177 more accurate personally, i look forward to meeting you in Plzen.
 
Brian_K said:
Under the WRABF/ERABSF rules (same for UKBR22) there is little difference between the LV & HV classes. Most people use the same for both (a LV rifle)

You might need another HV rifle if you wanted to shoot in the 20ft/lb class, although most don’t bother and use the same rifle.

The most easily accessible competitive rifle for you would probably be the Air Arms EV2.

Have a look at the World Postal results we held in January, might give you some ideas: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53488303/World%20Air%20Postal%20Final%20Results.xls

We are holding another competition in March, join in, costs nothing and you can see how you stand up against other shooters.

Brian
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Brian, I am not sure that I follow you, are there two different HV classes, because that is how I interpret sentence one and two, I thought HV was the 20ft/lb class. Effect and weight restrictions beeing the major differences between the two classes?

The link is not working for me.

And unfortunately, I know how I stand up to other shooters, hold the results up sid down and I will be on top;) But I might join anyway.
 
Hi,

Seems I am a little out of touch with these European Championships. You are correct there are only two classes, LV and HV. At the last one I attended in 2010 there were three classes – LV, HVA and HVB, I think it was the HVB which was the 20ft/lb class.

That being the case then both LV and HV will be for 12ft/lb rifles (I would guess, but you better check to make sure).

Sorry the link is not working for you, it downloads fine for me (it’s a .pdf file)

Maybe apply to join our forum: http://www.ukbr22.co.uk/forum/index.php

It will need approval, but just a formality.

When you get on the forum look up this thread from the last competition we held in January: http://www.ukbr22.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/world-individual-air-rifle-postal-5th-6th-january-2013.380/ hopefully it will put you in the picture.

Brian
 
Buggson read the wrabf rules below there are now only 2 classes LV & HV, Sporter was canned as no one was shooting it in Air Rifle;

2. Light Varmint Air Rifle Class - is any rifle having a manually and mechanically ?(including electronic triggers)? operated firing mechanism, weighing not more than 10 1/2 pounds (4.762 kg) inclusive of sight. Factory stock or stocks that meet ‘Stock Clarification’ rules may be used (see APPENDIX G). The action can be either spring or pneumatic; air regulators, barrel weights, harmonic tuners or bullet stabilisers are permitted but will be included in the overall weight of gun. The air cylinder can be changed as long as it is provided by the Manufacturer as an option/spare to that model. Any magnification scope may be used. The barrel/ action can be bedded and have the trigger reworked (or replaced). Return to battery shall NOT be permitted. Power to be restricted to 16.27 Joules or 12 ft lbs maximum. Shooting Distance 25m (0.177 and 0.2 scores plugged by 0.22 calibre gauge)
3. Heavy Varmint Air Rifle Class A - is any rifle having a manually safe manually and mechanically ?(including electronic triggers)? operated firing mechanism, with no weight limit. Any air regulator can be used as long as it is integral within the air cylinder. Any modification may be made to the rifle and any magnification scope may be used. Factory stock or stocks that meet ‘Stock Clarification’ rules may be used (see APPENDIX G). Return to battery shall NOT be permitted. Muzzle brakes, muzzle flips, barrel weights or Harmonic Tuners are permitted. There is no restriction on cylinder size or capacity as long as 21 Joules or 15 ft lbs maximum power is retained and it is integral within the rifle. (Separate Air Cylinders are not allowed, the cylinder must be part of the rifle and the overall weight). Shooting Distance 25m. (0.177 and 0.2 scores plugged by 0.22 calibre gauge.
 
Thanks Bill, that’s cleared that point up.

Buggsson, you just need to decide now whether it is worth having one rifle for the 16.27J class and one for the 21J class.

Most use the same rifle for both classes, but of course it’s your choice.

Brian
 
Brian, there will soon be a new forum member, so I can have a look at the results.
 
Brian_K said:
Buggsson, you just need to decide now whether it is worth having one rifle for the 16.27J class and one for the 21J class.

Most use the same rifle for both classes, but of course it’s your choice.

Brian
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Yes, choices, that part is so difficult for me. I have a hard time deciding these kind of issues. I will need an additional rifle anyway to shoot Field Target, but the question then is, if I should buy a HV rifle and use that for FT as well, or just buy something less and use it only for FT?

As a very green BR shooter, I don't know how to think because I don't know the practical implications of using the same rifle or getting an additional one.

My thinking for getting an additional rifle in 27J is that I believe that if shooting under the very same conditions, everything equal except for the rifle being 16j or 27J I would perhaps be able to gain a few additional points with the 27J rifle with the thought that that rifle would be less susceptable for wind drift. If that has nothing to do with the theoretical outcome, apparently, I have no need for an additional 27J Br rifle?
 
Steyr now make an easily adjustable version between the 2 JoulesPpower allowed for the 2 WRABF Classes and it would also suit Field Target Air Rifle, The Aussies will have a few in Plzen.
 
Bill Collaros said:
Steyr now make an easily adjustable version between the 2 JoulesPpower allowed for the 2 WRABF Classes and it would also suit Field Target Air Rifle, The Aussies will have a few in Plzen.
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Bill Is HV 20 ft.lb or the 15 ft.lb. ?????
 
I just pulled up the WRABF 2013 rules (http://www.wrabf.com/rules/WRABF & ERABSF Rimfire RULEBOOK 2012-2013.pdf) and it states:

"27.12 Joules or 20 Ft/lbs maximum power" for HV class. Page 8 of the rules. I cannot find any reference to 15 ft/lbs for any class. The rules do state that the rifle for HV cannot weigh more than 15 lbs. Maybe this is where the confusion is coming from.

Further, in Section E8.9 (section that discusses Air Rifle Power Checks) it details checking of power for compliance with the 12 ft/lb limit and the 20 ft/lb limit. There is no provision for a 15 ft/lb power level.
 
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SciGuy said:
I just pulled up the WRABF 2013 rules (http://www.wrabf.com/rules/WRABF & ERABSF Rimfire RULEBOOK 2012-2013.pdf) and it states:

"27.12 Joules or 20 Ft/lbs maximum power" for HV class. Page 8 of the rules. I cannot find any reference to 15 ft/lbs for any class. The rules do state that the rifle for HV cannot weigh more than 15 lbs. Maybe this is where the confusion is coming from.

Further, in Section E8.9 (section that discusses Air Rifle Power Checks) it details checking of power for compliance with the 12 ft/lb limit and the 20 ft/lb limit. There is no provision for a 15 ft/lb power level.
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Well, you would think the 2013 rules would be the most current (and also in line with what we believe is correct), so where Bill has got his quotations from I don't know.

I guess he'll be in bed at the moment, so we'll just have to wait till he wakes up.

Brian
 
Bill Collaros said:
Steyr now make an easily adjustable version between the 2 JoulesPpower allowed for the 2 WRABF Classes and it would also suit Field Target Air Rifle, The Aussies will have a few in Plzen.
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Bill, I have a Steyr, a LG110 which I will use in the LV class (and maybe the HV class as well). This rifle is only easy to change from the 7.5J to 16J settings or the reverse. If you also would like to have a go at 24J, as is the third setting, get a new rifle or change it and stay with 24J. That was the advice I got from Steyr. However, due to its weight, I could only afford a Weaver T-36 scope and with that I will not try to shoot field target. I would want side parallax adjustment for that.
 
Bill,

Following up on Rick's response, it is my recollection that we did away with the HV Class A (15fpe) but kept the HV Class B (20fpe), along with the LV Class as written. Please let us know, because if it's the Class A that prevailed there is a whole country of shooters here in the U.S. that have it wrong.

Thanks

Dave
 
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