What are the rules you follow?

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sepeteus

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Recently, we have discussed much about rules in Finland...

What do you think about these rules:

http://www.wrabf.com/WRABF Rules.htm

These are the rules we chose to follow... Mostly...

But:

Our airguns are usually bit too powerful, if compared to airguns of central Europe (most of us have caliber .22 airguns and power is therefore almost always at leat 30 fpe, rather than 20). Because of this we chose to not limit the power of our guns like these rules limits, but we shoot otherwise like these rules tell.
 
Temecula rules

Our little club has a very informal set of rules:

1. Standard firing range safety procedures with respect to gun handling and calling of ht and cold lanes is foremost.

2. Equipment: Any safe airgun with caliber not exceeding .22 is ok, with no restrictions on power, weight, or configuration except that the gun must be able to be lifted up and aimed as a unit offhand like a regular rifle if need be. No restrictions on sighting equipment.

Each competitor may have up to three wind flags on the range, providing they do not restrict view of any of the targets from the normal shooting positions.

3. Any design rest may be used, provided it's not bolted to the bench or the gun is ok ... as per usual, the gun must be able to be lifted straight up out of the rest without having to unfasten anything.

4. Standard American A36 fifty foot rimfire targets are used (ten scoring bulls, two sighter bulls). Three shot groups are fired on each of the scoring bulls per relay, with unlimited sighters allowed. Twenty minutes per relay. A precharged or co2 powered gun may not be recharged during the relay.

5. The target distance is fifty yards. Scoring is for group size, measured outside edge to outside edge, and one caliber subtracted according to the gun used*. Each record group must have at least one shot touching the black of the target bull in question ... a penalty of one inch is added to the group size of any group with no shot touching the black of the bull. the aggregate of all groups is calculated to decide the winners.

*we usually fire on three three targets per shooter during a match, and the aggregate of all the thirty groups plus penalties is added up before one caliber size is subtracted from the total. Since our course does normally have lots of variable winds, its not unusual for shooters to accrue penalties.
 
sepeteus said:
Recently, we have discussed much about rules in Finland...

What do you think about these rules:

http://www.wrabf.com/WRABF Rules.htm

These are the rules we chose to follow... Mostly...

But:

Our airguns are usually bit too powerful, if compared to airguns of central Europe (most of us have caliber .22 airguns and power is therefore almost always at leat 30 fpe, rather than 20). Because of this we chose to not limit the power of our guns like these rules limits, but we shoot otherwise like these rules tell.
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To compete in europe or internationally, the WRABF rules are the accepted standard.
In the UK we use the closely related UKBR22 rules, except when the results are submitted at an international level, then WRABF rules and targets are used.
Because of recent WRABF rule changes, many of us lost the option to shoot free-hand from a bipod. We now have to use a mono-pod rest, with front and rear bags if we wish to compete internationally.
As for the power restrictions, these are set to level the field of play and comply with the laws of the majority of participating nations. 30fpe to shift a little bit of lead over 25 yards, is a bit excessive. In accordance the international standard for 10m is limited to 6fpe.
As the other poster has intimated, on your own, in your own back yard, you can make it up as you go along.
If you want to play with everyone else then you have to adopt the rules of the school yard.
Gary.
:)
 
No Rules

Rules are a necessary evil to play a game. When pushing the envelope and experimenting to raise the bar, rules be damned.

The type of group shooting that LD described makes a great deal of sense when attempting to determine how much accuracy is actually possible. As I understand the results, winning groups are under 1/2 inch.

If pellet quality improves and other barrel makers become interested, progress will continue.
 
Thanks for replies...

And about the power, I think international restriction of Heavy Varmint Class B 20ft/lb or 27,12J is enough for every .177"/ 4,5mm airgun... My steyr applies to that, because it's 24 Joule version.

In my opinion, about 24 Joules is needed for the best performance, especially, if one shoots up to 50 yards or meters; and I rather shoot 25 meters with 24 Joules, than 7,5 or 16... Plus, I don't want to "strangle" my gun without good reason, especially when I think I could shoot better with little extra energy. Well, in each case, worldwide rules allow me to shoot with enough energy when I use 4,5mm barrel (27 Joules is enough).

At least one class should be kept open for more tuned and more powerful guns; but likewise there also should be some classes for lighter and less tuned guns which arelesspowerful too...


If I could decide this thing, I think there should be one unlimited class too like there is for centerfire guns. How about that?
 
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hulk said:
Rules are a necessary evil to play a game. When pushing the envelope and experimenting to raise the bar, rules be damned.

The type of group shooting that LD described makes a great deal of sense when attempting to determine how much accuracy is actually possible. As I understand the results, winning groups are under 1/2 inch.

If pellet quality improves and other barrel makers become interested, progress will continue.
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There are rules in all aspects of life. Rightly or wrongly they're there to be challenged in the interests of advancement.
Out of curiosity, over what ranges are the groups shot?
In the UK, we shoot indoors or out, 4.5mm(.177) sub-12fpe airguns over 25 yards at individual roundels, the 10 ring of which is 2mm in diameter.
Group shooting is for fun and the one official UKBR22 card we have is an annual sub 6mm challenge (1/4") and the edge of the group mustn't touch the target perimeter when plugged with a 6mm rod ..... i've not managed a clean card myself, but close.
Pellet quality and barrels will always be an issue, as long as airgunners strive for the pellet on pellet 'holy' grail'
What would life be without a challenge?
I won't always get 250, but i've had a few. The new hurdle since that first one, has been to increase the number of 10x's on a card and i've not done so bad on that score ........... but i'll never expect to do 25.
Seasons wishes everyone.
Gary.
:)
 
At our outdoor fifty yard matches

The current record for three cards, totaling thirty, three-shot groups, is a total aggregate of 0.441" center to center. fired by my BR gun using 13.5gr JSB 5mm pellets at around 930fps. Aggregates of just over a half inch are more common.

The smallest three-shot group fired this year during a fifty yard match is 0.024" ctc, fired by my FT gun using 10.5gr Crosman .177 pellets at 950fps.

Most matches have been own using 18.1 gr JSB .22 cal pellets fired at 770fps or 930fps ... depending on the shooter's preference.

Typical wind drift, were one to fire without paying heed to the flags, would be on the order of around 2" - 3.5" horizontal, and plus or minus 3/8" vertical.

Most guns are "open class" but we welcome any sort of gun an owner wants to use, and will post a different class if at least three shooters are in it, otherwise we lump em all into one.

The reason we don't shoot at shorter distances is the scoring is too difficult, since most of the groups are too tight. For the same reason, we don't total hits on scoring rings, since again, the scoring is more tedious than our club members prefer. After each match we open up some beers and start up the grill, so we don't want a bunch of tedious scoring procedures getting in our way. Since our conditions vary a lot, theres really little to be gained totting up scores beyond month to month ... and we really don't give much thought about how shooters in other countries would fare at our matches.

The main thing is the food, beer, and comraderie
 
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Superb.

That's challenging shooting outdoors ........ sadly legislation and bureaucracy limit our own ability to shoot under such conditions, to the point where it's not worth it. Plus, we're not allowed to lock down our rifles in one piece rests in the same manner you can, though since the banning of bi-pods and free hand shooting under world rules we might just be heading down that road.
Personally i'm passionate about freehand benchrest shooting, 'at one with the gun' and all that and sad to realise it's demise.

" ... and we really don't give much thought about how shooters in other countries would fare at our matches."
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Were it only possible to find out. That I believe is what the UKBR22 & the WRABF are all about, so you never know. :)

"The main thing is the food, beer, and comraderie"
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I wholeheartedly concur and obtain my own jollies from shooting Hunter Field Target, where those qualities are paramount, with a measure of competitiveness thrown into to the mix.

Have a nice Christmas/holiday.

Gary.:)
 
If you were responding to me

We are not allowed to "lock down" our rifles in the rest ... they must be able to be lifted straight up out of the rest
 
sepeteus said:
Thanks for replies...

And about the power, I think international restriction of Heavy Varmint Class B 20ft/lb or 27,12J is enough for every .177"/ 4,5mm airgun... My steyr applies to that, because it's 24 Joule version.

In my opinion, about 24 Joules is needed for the best performance, especially, if one shoots up to 50 yards or meters; and I rather shoot 25 meters with 24 Joules, than 7,5 or 16... Plus, I don't want to "strangle" my gun, because some of nations have been foolishly accepting sort of gun laws to compel themselves.

At least one class should be kept open for more tuned and more powerful guns; but likewise there also should be some classes for lighter and less tuned guns which arelesspowerful too...


If I could decide this thing, I think there should be one unlimited class too like there is for centerfire guns. How about that?
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Just out of interest how many shots do you get out of a cylinder before you need to refill the air?

Andy
 
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