Tuners? Show Me!

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Gene Beggs

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Guys, it has been my experience that you can talk about something till the cows come home, but the written and spoken word will take you only so far. There comes a time in which you must EXPERIENCE something first hand, before it becomes a reality to you. Let me ask you a question.

Would you be interested in learning the truth about centerfire tuners? No nonsense, speculation, or unproven theories; just the facts.

Would you be interested in learning how to keep your rifle in tune at all times, at any yardage, regardless of atmospheric conditions? No mystery, myth, or complicated experiments to determine the exact weight and moment that 'stops the muzzle' at a specific yardage? The only action necessary on your part is placing a dial in one of four positions; 12, 3, 6 or 9 o'clock? This can all be accomplished with a tuner that weighs only three ounces, and does not interfere with muzzle blast.

We could go on talking about it forever, but perhaps the time has come for you to experience it for yourself. Don't you agree? I have a suggestion.

Why not pack your overnight bag, that's all you will need, and fly out to the Midland International Airport, located half way between the cities of Midland and Odessa, Texas. I'll pick you up, and in twenty minutes we will be at the tunnel facility where you will learn the truth about tuners.

You can use my equipment (no hassles with airport security) and be assured of perfect conditions regardless of weather. In the tunnel environment we can concentrate on the task at hand without distractions.

This adventure will be less expensive than going to a match and you will learn things you might never discover on your own. What do you say; couldn't you use a little change of scenery anyway? Would this not be better than continuing with endless discussion and trying to rediscover the wheel on your own, when I can teach you everything you need to know about tuners in one session?

A roundtrip ticket on Southwest Airlines is less expensive than fuel for your vehicle and you won't spend four days on the road. Relax, enjoy a drink and before you know it, you will be landing in scenic West Texas! Well, I think it's scenic anyway.

If at the completion of your training, you do not feel that what you have learned has been worth the trip, you owe me nothing and I'll pick up the tab at the best restaurant in town.

Some may feel this is a bold faced advertisement but I assure you, I have the best interests of our sport in mind. This type of instruction is badly needed. Has anyone else made such an offer? Has anyone else offered to SHOW you exactly how to use a tuner? I rest my case.

Gene Beggs
 
Gene, Paul invited me to come along in his upcoming visit to your place. Looking forward to meet you and gain some understanding through your efforts and experiences. I've always been curious in what you folks are doing. Seeing how things work first hand will give myself a more definite sense of understanding.

Take Care,
Joe
 
Joe Friedrich said:
Gene, Paul invited me to come along in his upcoming visit to your place. Looking forward to meet you and gain some understanding through your efforts and experiences. I've always been curious in what you folks are doing. Seeing how things work first hand will give myself a more definite sense of understanding.

Take Care,
Joe
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Sounds good Joe, I look forward to meeting you.

Gene Beggs
 
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Gene: When you try a new powder, or chamber a new barrel, or try a different bullet, is it wise to remove the tuner and get the load as good as possible and then install the tuner and do the fine tuning? Or do you leave the tuner on the barrel locked in one position during the load developement?
Thanks, BA
 
bryan said:
Gene: When you try a new powder, or chamber a new barrel, or try a different bullet, is it wise to remove the tuner and get the load as good as possible and then install the tuner and do the fine tuning? Or do you leave the tuner on the barrel locked in one position during the load developement?
Thanks, BA
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Bryan, I never remove the tuner. If I'm starting from scratch with a new barrel, powder, bullet, primer or whatever or, during the first match of the day, I set the tuner on zero. To do this, turn the tuner all the way in and back it off one revolution, placing the reference mark at twelve o'clock, then proceed with your usual load developement. I prefer using the chronograph when working up a load and like Jackie Schmidt, I have found that loads in the upper window usually produce best accuracy with the smallest extreme spreads.

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
Gene...

I for one would like to thank you for your contributions thus far. I as well, want to see this sport live a long time, and I want to see it grow. I have not really kept up with the tuner revolution, but I can certainly appreciate what you are doing. So I just wanted to throw a thanks out there for putting forth the time, money, and effort to help the sport possibly evolve.

Matthew S Keller
 
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MatthewKeller said:
I for one would like to thank you for your contributions thus far. I as well, want to see this sport live a long time, and I want to see it grow. I have not really kept up with the tuner revolution, but I can certainly appreciate what you are doing. So I just wanted to throw a thanks out there for putting forth the time, money, and effort to help the sport possibly evolve.

Matthew S Keller
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Thanks for the kind words Matthew. We must keep on keeping on. It's fascinating to search for and once in a while discovering nature's secrets. It is also very satisfying to see others, "get it." Good shootin' my friend.

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
I would like to come visit you but I'm afraid we would spend too much time talking about airplanes:p maybe I'll have a talk with myself and be able to visit.:cool:
 
Gene
If you get tired of Texas, no I didn`t think you would, you and your tunnel are more then welcome to Sweden. The shooting sport need guys like you.
Keep up the good work Mr Beggs!

//Rolf
 
Thanks Guys

This fascination with rifle accuracy and the search for answers has been very exciting in recent times. There were many years in which there was little experimenting going on but I think the dry spell is over. I'm betting we will see many new and innovative developments in the near future. This forum has opened up a whole new world for the benchresters of the world.

Thanks Wilbur!

Keep the good feedback coming.

Best regards,

Gene Beggs
 
Eurika!

[ turn the tuner all the way in and back it off one revolution, placing the reference mark at twelve o'clock, then proceed with your usual load developement.
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WOW!!!
Gene, I've been messing with the tuner in the mid point of the threads, and have had mixed results. Today I ran the tuner clear onto the threads and backed it off one turn like you said and shot 4 three shot groups.
6Beggs .269 neck, 205 primer, Bart/Zia 68 seated to jam, H322 Extreme.
The 27.2 gr load had a bullet of vertical.
The 27.5 gr load had a half bullet of vertical
The 27.8 gr load had a half bullet of verticle
The 28.1 gr load had a bullet and a half of verticle.
I then loaded the 27.5 gr. load and moved the tuner 1/8 turn towards the action and shot a nice round .148 5 shot group! The next group was .151!
The conditions were typical March conditions at the NRAWC---switchy east wind at about 15mph. and 40 degrees.
Standard Metro here is 23.45 in. hg. but my guage showed 17.75 in.hg.!!!! That has to be an error, or the DA would be somewhere in the 24000ft range!
Time to buy a new barometer I guess, but moving the tuner to that point really made a difference.
Thanks
Bryan
 
Bryan,

Glad to hear you're getting good results with your new tuner. Your experience shows how quick and easy it is to use. Now that you have found your pet load, it will never be necessary to change anything but the tuner setting.

Once you get the rifle in tune, it's nice to know what the density altitude (DA) is but it is not absolutely necessary. As temperature increases and the air thins out the bullets begin exiting a little soon before the barrel comes to a complete stop so we need to speed the barrel up slightly. We do this by turning the tuner IN which increases the vibration frequency.

As temperature warms up and a little verticle begins to appear on the sighter, simply screw the tuner IN, 45 degrees at a time until the verticle goes away. Remember that you can NEVER be more than a half turn out of tune because the range of the tuner from one node to the next is one revolution.

Congratulations

Gene Beggs
 
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