Titanium Action...carbon wraped barrel..?

L

lcbcp

Guest
Customer recently brought in a Christensen Arms Extreame rifle with a broken scope mount screw. Seems the front screw was a bit too long and he could'nt get it to tighten...oh well. He then informs me it has a titanium action....well it was magnetic and all of the other titanium items I have worked with were not, so I worked the job same as any other, because the broken front screw was inbedded into the barrel threads I had to drill it out carefully and finish with a small end mill. Successful operation....anyway is there a magnetic titanium? It also had a carbon fiber wraped barrel that the manf. claims the following:

# Graphite barrel casing is 3-4 times stronger than steel – Meaning Safety
# Graphite barrel casing is 4-5 times stiffer than steel/per weight – Meaning Better accuracy
# Graphite/epoxy barrel casing is 5-6 times lighter than steel – Meaning comfort and mobility
# Graphite barrel casing is 100% weatherproof – Meaning Durability
# Graphite barrel lining is match grade 416R stainless steel – Meaning Quality
# Graphite increases barrel life by approximately 25% - Meaning longevity
# Graphite barrels have a zero coefficient of thermal expansion – Steel barrels expand and contract with temperature changes (hot or cold). Since the temperature through the barrel is not uniform, it causes a steel barrel to warp. These effects cause the bullet point of impact to change. Christensen carbon barrels do not move with temperature change, meaning accuracy shot after shot. Christensen Arms carbon barrels are unaffected by external temperature as well. No matter how hot or cold the weather is that you are hunting in, your first shot accuracy will not be affected.

Well I have some doubts about some of the claims, mainly how can the carbon barrel be 3-4 times stronger than steel if the thermal coeffieient is "0" seems to me the liner will expand and the carbon wrap will not and therefore the two cannot be bonded in any meaningfull way. In my experience any kind of epoxy fiber tends to act as a insulator rather than a conductor of energy, so it would seem to me to increase the heat problem??? If this material is as strong as claimed why bother with a steel liner barel?? It also seems that they just cut down a stock rem. barrel to achieve the carbon wrap feature, how the hell does that improve anything? Seems to me any tendency of the carbon wrap to counteract any warp would be off-set by turning down the barrel. The barrel seemed to be well chambered, but very rough bore, and well coated with copper....the owner says only 10 shots. The owner also claims a less than 1 inch group @ 100 yds. I explained to the owner that I loved the light weight and great handling of the rifle and if it would shoot a 2 " group @ 100 yds, I'd be happy, but to bring 20 or so rounds when he picked it up and we could check it out down on my range, my mistake, so far no show. Anyway any opinions, other than my dumb ass invitation to actually shoot it, I an already aware that that was stupid on my part.
 
I tend to agree, something sounds fishy about this. (safety claims)

As for Titanium that a magnet will stick to...

Never heard of such a thing. Something smells.
 
Carbon fibre-wrapped barrel

And all the other claims associated with it, is something that I'll never have to worry about. I personally don't trust any of the so called "compositions" materials at all. To me a steel is a steel.

The 3-4-5 times stronger than steel = a mild steel.

The other claims about the stiffness, expansion, etc. Personally I don't know and personally I don't care.

Chey-tac is offering their .408 Chey-tac with a carbon fibre wrapped barrel. So maybe it's a good thing, but I still would like to see how it will go when heated up to 200*+C. several times. I have a doubt it to be the same material as is used in the "racing cars/bikes" break discs, as they take several months to make.

I like to read about these extra-ordinary claims including the titanium, but that's about all. They all can have it in the F-1, Moto GP, Indy etc., but as far as my guns are concern it always will be steel only.


Shoot better
Peter
 
Butch you have to practice

Have you tried to shoot any rifle with a real light barrel off hand? It ain't easy to do.
Butch
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

little bit more. When an Imbecile like me can shoot MarkV 300Wea. 8.5pounds all up 3"/100M off hand, anybody can.

Shoot better
Peter
 
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

little bit more. When an Imbecile like me can shoot MarkV 300Wea. 8.5pounds all up 3"/100M off hand, anybody can.

Shoot better
Peter

Hence the title "benchrest central" for those of us too old, fat and blind to shoot offhand anymore.

When I used to shoot 3 position, the match was always won by the person that was the best shot offhand. If you could not shoot x prone you didn't even make the team.

Ben
 
They are not bench rest rifles but there are a very very good hunting rifle. If your like me and like to keep your pack as light as possible then you will love their rifles! I have two 300 in the RUM, one 257 STW one 270 short mag and a 6.5-284. Mine have shot great in 30-80 degree weather all shooting sub 1/2 inch groups, "hand loads of course" The custom rifles like the ones I have use a Shilen select match grade that is turned then carbon wrapped. They also sell other models where they just turn a factory barrel.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Off Hand.....NO

For whatever reason I can shoot a pistol off hand @ 25 yds for about a 1.5 inch group, but the only rifle I can shoot even passing well off hand is my AR which weighs a little more than 14 lbs. But I would hate to have to carry it for any distance. This rifle weighs app 6.5 lbs unloaded, without scope, but with mounts. I doubt I could hit the side of a barn if I was standing in it with it. On the other hand the mountains at least here in VA have gotten one hell of a lot steeper and harder to climb, something about ozone holes and global warming causing a verticle expansion of said hills. I understand the guy that invented the internet wrote a book explaining all this, and I feel he must be correct as I can't think of any other or better reason for this to occur. If he perhaps also includes a chapter or two on magnetic titanium and carbon wraped barrels I may purchase a copy. Still the question remains from from my orginal post, some of you guys are pretty smart, how about shedding some techanical light on the subject?, or at least personal experience? Also, has anyone tried to unscrew one of these barrels, what happens when you clamp the barrel in barrel vise, same procedure as a steel barrel? Someone out there knows the answer....jump in.
 
Back
Top