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CYoung
Guest
Is there a superior pellet in the air gun world? Lets say like Eley is in rimfire? I have become interested in air guns and I would like to know. And for discussion purposes, price is no object.
Renegade
New member
Hey Chipper,
Good to see you on the airgun forum. I'm far from an expert on pellets or airguns, but most of the guys I shoot with are shooting JSB's of varying weights. As far as price being no object, right now the JSB's are less than 10% the cost of Eley Black Box. I'm seriously considering selling my 40X and just shooting airgun after this year!
See you at Palmetto,
Todd
Good to see you on the airgun forum. I'm far from an expert on pellets or airguns, but most of the guys I shoot with are shooting JSB's of varying weights. As far as price being no object, right now the JSB's are less than 10% the cost of Eley Black Box. I'm seriously considering selling my 40X and just shooting airgun after this year!
See you at Palmetto,
Todd
Bill Collaros
Shoot to Thrill
Craig we are all using JSB Diabolo pellets down here.
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lead head
Guest
I've been having good results out of Cometa pellets(made by JSB) in my USFT. Craig, pellets and pellet rifles are a lot like 22 benchrifles. There will be one pellet that it will shoot better that the other. And I'm sure lot number makes a difference also.
Larry B
Larry B
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Wayne Burns
Guest
You should also try the Air Arms version of the JSBs... they use their own dies at the JSB factory, and have slightly different shapes, that do well in some air guns, I also find that their weight varies less than the JSB versions... the bottom line is test em.. shoot, shoot, shoot in all wind conditions possible, and then shoot some more.. 
.. the "cream" will rise as they say .. email me if you want me to send you a small mixed sample of ones that do well for me... but then again, it could be hard to find that batch again... when I find some that do well, I buy a sleeve or two of em.
Wayne Burns
team USA
.. the "cream" will rise as they say .. email me if you want me to send you a small mixed sample of ones that do well for me... but then again, it could be hard to find that batch again... when I find some that do well, I buy a sleeve or two of em.Wayne Burns
team USA
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Dave Shattuck
Guest
Craig,
ALL OF THE ABOVE!!! But, of course, being the way I am you all know I'm going to add my 2¢ worth:
A lot depends on the caliber you are using and the energy level you are shooting at. When I am shooting my Theoben with its .22 caliber barrel on I find it loves the JSB Exact 18.3grn pellets the best, but when I switch it over to wearing its .177 caliber set-up, the Crosman Premier Heavy 10.5grn are the best way to go. Of course, when preparing the Crosmans it takes a lot more attention to detail than with the JSB's as they tend to have a lot more slag left in their skirts which requires as certain level of attention to be removed. But, in the end I've found that the extra effort gives obvious results for the .177 caliber as the Crosmans Ballistic Coefficient is the highest of any of the pellets, and their consistency when weighed seems to be pretty decent too.
Now, granted I have only had my Air Arms S400 MPR-FT for a little over a month so haven't played around with testing many of the various pellets out there. But I can tell you this: where the gun is a 12fpe gun the Crosmans didn't fair so well as I had to go down to the Light 7.9grn pellets, which were no where near as accurate as the heavier Air Arms/JSB 8.4grn pellets at 25M.
Another thing that comes into play is what lube, if any, you use to lubricate your pellets. Some will tell you no lubricant is necessary, but I beg to differ. And, here again, it all comes down to the gun/pellet combination. In my Theoben when using the .177 Crosman Premiers I have found that a light coating of the FINISH LINE Teflon Plus DRY TEFLON CHAIN LUBE (the Black Bottle) works best. But when I switch over to the .22, or for my AA MPR-FT I find they like the FINISH LINE WAX LUBRICANT (the Gray Bottle) the best. And yet I believe that Paul Bendix has found that when shooting the exact same 12fpe combination using identical pellets does better with no lube at all. Go figure! I guess finding the right lube/pellet/caliber combination for your gun is a lot like lot testing for a rimfire, other than the cost only being a fraction as much.
And just think, when you go out to shoot that Eley Black, or worse yet, Red Box and blow off 5 or 10 rounds shooting Sighters, or worse yet, a box or two while trying to tune that new barrel, what's it costing you? $2 to $4 dollar on Sighters, and $20 to $40 for tuning? It makes you think! Ah, but when you head out to the range for that first time with your new pellet gun to blow off a full afternoon, all it's going to cost you is maybe $5 or $10 dollars. And that would be for a full 500 rounds of shooting!
Welcome aboard Craig. You're gonna love it!
Dave
ALL OF THE ABOVE!!! But, of course, being the way I am you all know I'm going to add my 2¢ worth:
A lot depends on the caliber you are using and the energy level you are shooting at. When I am shooting my Theoben with its .22 caliber barrel on I find it loves the JSB Exact 18.3grn pellets the best, but when I switch it over to wearing its .177 caliber set-up, the Crosman Premier Heavy 10.5grn are the best way to go. Of course, when preparing the Crosmans it takes a lot more attention to detail than with the JSB's as they tend to have a lot more slag left in their skirts which requires as certain level of attention to be removed. But, in the end I've found that the extra effort gives obvious results for the .177 caliber as the Crosmans Ballistic Coefficient is the highest of any of the pellets, and their consistency when weighed seems to be pretty decent too.
Now, granted I have only had my Air Arms S400 MPR-FT for a little over a month so haven't played around with testing many of the various pellets out there. But I can tell you this: where the gun is a 12fpe gun the Crosmans didn't fair so well as I had to go down to the Light 7.9grn pellets, which were no where near as accurate as the heavier Air Arms/JSB 8.4grn pellets at 25M.
Another thing that comes into play is what lube, if any, you use to lubricate your pellets. Some will tell you no lubricant is necessary, but I beg to differ. And, here again, it all comes down to the gun/pellet combination. In my Theoben when using the .177 Crosman Premiers I have found that a light coating of the FINISH LINE Teflon Plus DRY TEFLON CHAIN LUBE (the Black Bottle) works best. But when I switch over to the .22, or for my AA MPR-FT I find they like the FINISH LINE WAX LUBRICANT (the Gray Bottle) the best. And yet I believe that Paul Bendix has found that when shooting the exact same 12fpe combination using identical pellets does better with no lube at all. Go figure! I guess finding the right lube/pellet/caliber combination for your gun is a lot like lot testing for a rimfire, other than the cost only being a fraction as much.
And just think, when you go out to shoot that Eley Black, or worse yet, Red Box and blow off 5 or 10 rounds shooting Sighters, or worse yet, a box or two while trying to tune that new barrel, what's it costing you? $2 to $4 dollar on Sighters, and $20 to $40 for tuning? It makes you think! Ah, but when you head out to the range for that first time with your new pellet gun to blow off a full afternoon, all it's going to cost you is maybe $5 or $10 dollars. And that would be for a full 500 rounds of shooting!
Welcome aboard Craig. You're gonna love it!
Dave
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deliterman
Guest
Dave -your right on all counts !!! those pellets have to be weighed and lubed..that's it..H.B.
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MHOPKINS
Guest
Of course, each brand of rifle and even each barrel is going to have it's favorite. In the world of Feinwekbau .177 Field Target (HV) models, through MUCH testing, the most accurate fodder is the H&N Baracuda and Beeman Kodiak Match (same pellet). Lube has proven to be a detriment. What counts is the lot number of each brand. When you find that consistent 249 shooter through indoor testing, buy a bunch. When you first order, try to get a tin each of different lot numbers and a couple of different sizes (4.49 to 4.51s). My gun does NOT like 4.52s. My last puchase gave me enough to last about 3 years' worth of matches. I have purchased a few sleeves of 'runner-ups' as backups and general fun shooting. Because of the expense, 4 or 5 us split the cost of the test tins. Don't know if this info helps or hinders....
OregonMike, Wild River Air Rifles
OregonMike, Wild River Air Rifles