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shooter223
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I have a Suhl 150 Standard with a Time Precision Supertuner. Can anyone tell me where to start as to the setting? All thoughts appreciated
I have a Suhl 150 Standard with a Time Precision Supertuner. Can anyone tell me where to start as to the setting? All thoughts appreciated
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Joe Haller
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The Light and the Heavy of it . . .
I had a Suhl 150 with a McMillan stock and a Time tuner. Folks on this board said the Time tuner was too light. Maybe they was why it would not shoot as well at my other Suhl with a Hoehn tuner (?). But, then the other one is a Grade 10.
One of the members of our club and his wife have a machine shop. I asked Bob Hughes if he could make me a "weight" to attach to the Time tuner. Bob made me three of them: 10 oz, 12 oz and 20 oz. The 12 oz WORKED.
Bob has a wife. Her name is Susan. She also shoots at our club and asked if I would sell her that Suhl. Now: Susan is a beautiful woman and I am weak when it comes to beautiful women. Susan now owns the 150 Suhl with the black and red McMillan stock, and "heavy" Time tuner.
Talked to Bob at our New Years Eve party about making more barrel weights.
Mr Frosty
I had a Suhl 150 with a McMillan stock and a Time tuner. Folks on this board said the Time tuner was too light. Maybe they was why it would not shoot as well at my other Suhl with a Hoehn tuner (?). But, then the other one is a Grade 10.
One of the members of our club and his wife have a machine shop. I asked Bob Hughes if he could make me a "weight" to attach to the Time tuner. Bob made me three of them: 10 oz, 12 oz and 20 oz. The 12 oz WORKED.
Bob has a wife. Her name is Susan. She also shoots at our club and asked if I would sell her that Suhl. Now: Susan is a beautiful woman and I am weak when it comes to beautiful women. Susan now owns the 150 Suhl with the black and red McMillan stock, and "heavy" Time tuner.
Talked to Bob at our New Years Eve party about making more barrel weights.
Mr Frosty
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cpeters
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I have not used that particular tuner but.....
I have not used that particular tuner but my personal opinion is every single rifle is different and someone may give you a setting and you might find some thing that will shoot decent.....but you will never know if it truly was the BEST spot unless you start at the beginning and go all the way out.
Yes it will take time and it will take ammo.
Good luck...I hope you find the best setting for your rifle.
Charlie
I have not used that particular tuner but my personal opinion is every single rifle is different and someone may give you a setting and you might find some thing that will shoot decent.....but you will never know if it truly was the BEST spot unless you start at the beginning and go all the way out.
Yes it will take time and it will take ammo.
Good luck...I hope you find the best setting for your rifle.
Charlie
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pacecil
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Why would it make any difference where you started? You at some point in time want to have tried all positions, so it makes no difference where you start.
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J Pappas
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Kent Owens
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shooter223
My best guess would be for you to take the tuner off and test the rifle with some good match ammo. Then put it back on and try and tune it to get the groups as good as you were getting without it, then fine tune from there. Personally I like the 8 oz. Harrel tuners and use a weight from 5-6 to 7 ozs on an .850-.875 barrel 24-25" long. That combination seems to work with that barrel length and diameter. If you change the barrel length and contour it's a whole new puzzle, but one that can be solved with enough experimenting and testing.
My best guess would be for you to take the tuner off and test the rifle with some good match ammo. Then put it back on and try and tune it to get the groups as good as you were getting without it, then fine tune from there. Personally I like the 8 oz. Harrel tuners and use a weight from 5-6 to 7 ozs on an .850-.875 barrel 24-25" long. That combination seems to work with that barrel length and diameter. If you change the barrel length and contour it's a whole new puzzle, but one that can be solved with enough experimenting and testing.
Old 52D
I had a 52D, that would not shoot well without the Old Style Time Tuner. I tried others, but had to keep going back to the Time. Every rifle is different, so try what you have first. I started at "0" and went out. Once I found that sweet spot, I never changed it. Several times, I tried retuning it see if I could find a better spot for different ammo, and it always wound up back when I had it set before.
I had a 52D, that would not shoot well without the Old Style Time Tuner. I tried others, but had to keep going back to the Time. Every rifle is different, so try what you have first. I started at "0" and went out. Once I found that sweet spot, I never changed it. Several times, I tried retuning it see if I could find a better spot for different ammo, and it always wound up back when I had it set before.
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shooter223
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Well, I guess that's one way to look at it. I recalled reading what someone had written about a Hoehn Tuner and the response was Just set it at nnn, and work a little bit each way from there. Presumably shortening the process somewhat.
My thanks to all for your response. I'll post what I find (if I ever find it).
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Mad`
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Fred J,
I personally set your tuner at a match while you were messing with windflags. That insured I had a higher agg. than you. It worked.
Your pal, Dale
I personally set your tuner at a match while you were messing with windflags. That insured I had a higher agg. than you. It worked.
Your pal, Dale
Atta boy Cec, keep up the good work.
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Mad`
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tony q.c.i.s.
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Suhl shoot better with out a tuner
Start by using it as a paper weight, it will out shoot without it I guarantee. I have a 150-1 standard and shoot 240's6-10X in USBR Unlimited regularly, and I don't use a tuner. Tuners are a redundant invention for this rifle, the Suhl and the Anshutz 1903 are identical and you don’t see Olympians shooting with a Bloop tube and tuner. The Suhl is 1 of the most accurate rifles straight out of the box in the world, it' only enemy is vibration so use the tuner for a paperweight to keep targets from flying away and dampen the vibration. After discovering this little trick there is an easy fix to the vibration problem http://rimfireshooting.com/index.php?showtopic=2653&hl=o+ring ,it worked better than a tuner and only cost like a buck fifty.When I took the front sight off accuracy differences were noticed, so I just leave it on and it went right back the way it was. I also noticed that when I took the front sight base off I tried shooting without them on it and other rifles (like my 40X); the accuracy diminished until the holes were plugged with set screws and torqued to almost 50 inch pounds. On these High dollar "custom shop guns" Tuners might work better because they are designed for them, but it is only going to hurt you with this rifle. This also works wonders on a Savage MKII ,me and 2 others have tried them and they worked great. Try it and it will ammaze you what happens , and without a Tuner or extra weight. "T"
I have a Suhl 150 Standard with a Time Precision Supertuner. Can anyone tell me where to start as to the setting? All thoughts appreciated
Start by using it as a paper weight, it will out shoot without it I guarantee. I have a 150-1 standard and shoot 240's6-10X in USBR Unlimited regularly, and I don't use a tuner. Tuners are a redundant invention for this rifle, the Suhl and the Anshutz 1903 are identical and you don’t see Olympians shooting with a Bloop tube and tuner. The Suhl is 1 of the most accurate rifles straight out of the box in the world, it' only enemy is vibration so use the tuner for a paperweight to keep targets from flying away and dampen the vibration. After discovering this little trick there is an easy fix to the vibration problem http://rimfireshooting.com/index.php?showtopic=2653&hl=o+ring ,it worked better than a tuner and only cost like a buck fifty.When I took the front sight off accuracy differences were noticed, so I just leave it on and it went right back the way it was. I also noticed that when I took the front sight base off I tried shooting without them on it and other rifles (like my 40X); the accuracy diminished until the holes were plugged with set screws and torqued to almost 50 inch pounds. On these High dollar "custom shop guns" Tuners might work better because they are designed for them, but it is only going to hurt you with this rifle. This also works wonders on a Savage MKII ,me and 2 others have tried them and they worked great. Try it and it will ammaze you what happens , and without a Tuner or extra weight. "T"
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DonMatzeder
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I'd take that last post with a grain of salt.
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Joe Haller
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Hi Tony:
When you say: "Rings work the best when doubled", do you mean putting two heavy duty O rings on the barrel side by side, or twisting an O ring into a figure 8 and sliding it on the barrel doubled?
I just got the last four grade 10 Suhls than Jim Williams had. No tuners on them. Local club members are anxious to try them out: After the temperatures get above 32 degrees and the snow melts.
It's been a hard winter, with temperatures going to 20 and 30 below zero.
I was about to order 4 Hoehn tuners, but after reading of your experiment, I'm gona wait. I have lots of time. Snow should be melted down by the middle of April.
I shot NRA Smallbore years ago, and have wondered about barrel frequency changes when going from Irons to Scope. Never thought of that front sight base having the potential for mounting a "weight" out front. Would eliminate the machine work of boring the tuner for an exact fit on the barrel.
This is something to think about: Rubber Bands & a Simple Tuner attachment. I need something to keep my mind off this "Cabin Fever".
Joe Haller (Mr. Frosty)
When you say: "Rings work the best when doubled", do you mean putting two heavy duty O rings on the barrel side by side, or twisting an O ring into a figure 8 and sliding it on the barrel doubled?
I just got the last four grade 10 Suhls than Jim Williams had. No tuners on them. Local club members are anxious to try them out: After the temperatures get above 32 degrees and the snow melts.
It's been a hard winter, with temperatures going to 20 and 30 below zero.
I was about to order 4 Hoehn tuners, but after reading of your experiment, I'm gona wait. I have lots of time. Snow should be melted down by the middle of April.
I shot NRA Smallbore years ago, and have wondered about barrel frequency changes when going from Irons to Scope. Never thought of that front sight base having the potential for mounting a "weight" out front. Would eliminate the machine work of boring the tuner for an exact fit on the barrel.
This is something to think about: Rubber Bands & a Simple Tuner attachment. I need something to keep my mind off this "Cabin Fever".
Joe Haller (Mr. Frosty)
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Joe Haller
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Hey Don . . .
Will a grain of salt work for Cabin Fever?
I gota do something to get my mind off that white stuff that keeps falling EVERY day.
The man sez the rifle is capable of shooting in the 240s on the USBR target, on a regular bases. I have shot a FEW USBR targets in the 240s with a Grade 10 Shul, a Turbo and a Hall. They all have Hoehn tuners. I don't punch out USBR 240s on a "regular bases".
OK - OK: So I got cabin fever. But: Thinking about this gives me some relief.
I'll take a grain of salt and call you in the morning.
Goodnight
Will a grain of salt work for Cabin Fever?
I gota do something to get my mind off that white stuff that keeps falling EVERY day.
The man sez the rifle is capable of shooting in the 240s on the USBR target, on a regular bases. I have shot a FEW USBR targets in the 240s with a Grade 10 Shul, a Turbo and a Hall. They all have Hoehn tuners. I don't punch out USBR 240s on a "regular bases".
OK - OK: So I got cabin fever. But: Thinking about this gives me some relief.
I'll take a grain of salt and call you in the morning.
Goodnight
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sgr
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Suhl and Anschutz
Are you sure the Suhl and Anschutz 1903 are identical ? I've owned two Suhl's and two Anschutz 1903 and they were nothing alike. The Anschutz 1903 has a 64 action. Gene
Are you sure the Suhl and Anschutz 1903 are identical ? I've owned two Suhl's and two Anschutz 1903 and they were nothing alike. The Anschutz 1903 has a 64 action. Gene
Are you serious with this bunk?
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tony q.c.i.s.
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Ok if a tuner is so great why can't a tuner rifle beat my stock Suhl? And why are there no 250's shot at the nationals with the tuners? I disn't say all rifle and tuner setups were redundant just on the Suhl, a tuner decreases accuracy on a Suhl I know a person that tried the same setup on 3 identical rifles and all results were the same, all 3 shot a tighter group without a tuner with 3 different tuners on 3 Suhl 150's .Explain that. "T"