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Signguy
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Are there any good books or videos out there on making stocks or inletting?
Tim
Tim
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Go to Midway,s web site and look a book called Professional Stockmaking. Also try back issues of Shooting Sportsman magazine, over the years there have been many articles written by Steven Dodd Hughes as well as his book, Fine Gunmaking I think it's called, been quite awhile since I read it last. Those will get you started.
Dennis
Go to Midway,s web site and look a book called Professional Stockmaking. Also try back issues of Shooting Sportsman magazine, over the years there have been many articles written by Steven Dodd Hughes as well as his book, Fine Gunmaking I think it's called, been quite awhile since I read it last. Those will get you started.
Dennis
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phantom496
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Books on Stocks . .
A book on Stock Making - I have looked for years for one, never found one, not that they aren't there, I just have never found one. I have done several stocks now, one you can find onn WildcountryArchery.com, go down through the forum to Custom Rifles - Heavy Varmint Rifle. That's the one that I did from scratch. It has most of the process that I used, most by trial and error, but that one came out prretty good. The milling machine was a good buy, and helps get a lot of the wood out of the way quickly, but there is lots of hand work, I didn't keep track of the hours it took me but it was several weeks. There are tools available that will make some of the work go quicker, and if you want I will elaborate. Read that, it shows most of the process that I did to make it.
Phantom
A book on Stock Making - I have looked for years for one, never found one, not that they aren't there, I just have never found one. I have done several stocks now, one you can find onn WildcountryArchery.com, go down through the forum to Custom Rifles - Heavy Varmint Rifle. That's the one that I did from scratch. It has most of the process that I used, most by trial and error, but that one came out prretty good. The milling machine was a good buy, and helps get a lot of the wood out of the way quickly, but there is lots of hand work, I didn't keep track of the hours it took me but it was several weeks. There are tools available that will make some of the work go quicker, and if you want I will elaborate. Read that, it shows most of the process that I did to make it.
Phantom
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Signguy
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Thanks Dennis D.
I will get over to Midway and take a look.
Phantom496, I took a look at the work you did and I have to say I was impressed to say the least. That is some beautiful work you did. Anyone who is looking at making there own stock should take a look. Very nice.
Are the templates you used for inletting home made, or can you buy them?
Tim
I will get over to Midway and take a look.
Phantom496, I took a look at the work you did and I have to say I was impressed to say the least. That is some beautiful work you did. Anyone who is looking at making there own stock should take a look. Very nice.
Are the templates you used for inletting home made, or can you buy them?
Tim
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henrya
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If you can find a set, from many, many years ago, Samworth Publishing (I think) published a set of large booklets by Alvin Linden on stockmaking. These are a bit collectible (but not extremely expensive) but will give you a good start on stock making from back when it was done by hand. You can extrapolate to today's tools and methods. Even better, make a stock the old way and learn a whole bunch.
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phantom496
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Templates . .
Signguy, The templates - I made them. I took all the dimensions off of the receiver and then put them on a piece of .060 Alum. and that is the layout of the wood removal for the receivers, they are undersize about .030 to leave some wood to cut into for a good fit. The stock is cut out to about what you see in the first pictures, then I lay it down and put a center line down both sides (lengthwise). That gives me a place to put the receiver bolt holes and start the layout, then it is down to removing the wood. One of the tools I use to remove wood on the contour is a 1" Microplane cutter, you can google them and find out where to get them. You will need a 25k air grinder to use them and they are quite fragile, I usually end up tearing up 2 per stock. I have attached a picture of another one that I did from a blank. Followed all the same steps and this is the results, did it on a thumbhole, first try.
Phantom
Signguy, The templates - I made them. I took all the dimensions off of the receiver and then put them on a piece of .060 Alum. and that is the layout of the wood removal for the receivers, they are undersize about .030 to leave some wood to cut into for a good fit. The stock is cut out to about what you see in the first pictures, then I lay it down and put a center line down both sides (lengthwise). That gives me a place to put the receiver bolt holes and start the layout, then it is down to removing the wood. One of the tools I use to remove wood on the contour is a 1" Microplane cutter, you can google them and find out where to get them. You will need a 25k air grinder to use them and they are quite fragile, I usually end up tearing up 2 per stock. I have attached a picture of another one that I did from a blank. Followed all the same steps and this is the results, did it on a thumbhole, first try.
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Phantom496,
It looks to me like you have got it figured out. I thank you for sharing with me.
I am going to look into getting some tools and see what results I can get from a block of wood.
henrya,
I found some of those books. They are going for 175.00, or somewhere in that range. I will keep my eyes open and see if I can get lucky.
Dennis D.
Thanks, I found the "Fine Gun Making" book I might give that a try as well.
Tim
It looks to me like you have got it figured out. I thank you for sharing with me.
I am going to look into getting some tools and see what results I can get from a block of wood.
henrya,
I found some of those books. They are going for 175.00, or somewhere in that range. I will keep my eyes open and see if I can get lucky.
Dennis D.
Thanks, I found the "Fine Gun Making" book I might give that a try as well.
Tim
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Mountain Mike
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Book Search Site
When looking for used books, I recommend this site.
http://www.abebooks.com/
While I have not purchased from this site, entering alvin linden in the author box yields a lot of results, starting from around $9.00.
When looking for used books, I recommend this site.
http://www.abebooks.com/
While I have not purchased from this site, entering alvin linden in the author box yields a lot of results, starting from around $9.00.
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phantom496
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What Receiver and barrel ?
What Receiver and barrel are you going to use ? Winchester, Remington, Mauser, what are you going to build, heavy barrel - sporter - ? If you go back and look at the one picture with the Template on it you will see the pencil line I put down the middle of the stock, that is the very first starting point. The next is where the trigger will be on the finished stock, I use a small nail and a hole through the bottom template, actually both of them. Attached is a picture of both of the templates, centerlines and hole distances. You can see the small hole at the rear of them, that is where the trigger would be (aprox) on the stock. I use .06 material and make sure that they are square and about the same length to begin with, and drill the holes "Together", that way they are exactly the same distance apart, clamp them together to drill them. There is still a lot of wood to take off and the fitting to you will neccitate taking some wood off, this is the trial and error part of the job -
The key to it is getting the receiver bolts in the right place - and inline. You have some play with them, but not a lot, so be careful with the holes, distance apart and in line. Most of the bolts are 1/4" dia. so drill the hole a little bigger, say 17/64, that way you will be able to align the two haves together and have a little play to where the barrel will set.
If you don't have a milling machine, the first one I did I drilled a bunch of holes "inside" of the template and took a Jig Saw and cut the block out, kind of the long way, but it worked. Then it is down to Chisels and Dremils. Depending on the receiver you are going to use, there is a lot of time and effort to doing this, but rewarding. Get some Non Drying Prussian High Spot Blue, from the local parts store and use an acid brush to apply it to the metal parts, it will just wipe off later, and on you if you over do it. Also if you plan to do this regularly, I would suggest getting some gun stock maker bolts from Brownells, they are worth their weight in gold in this process. Be sure during this process to keep the trigger guard and the receiver in-line . . . ""very important"" ! If they get out of alingment or twisted, you have a nice piece of firewood.
If you are really un-sure of this process, I would suggest buying a piece of 4x4 and starting with that just to check your self confidence. I have now done about 5 or 6 of these and some were not Mausers, I made that one above on a Winchester, and they have a 1.365 Radius that the receiver sets in, that had to be stepped off in the mill, that may be over some peoples ability, but for an old tool maker - a piece of cake. Hope this hasn't confused you or made you think it is harder than it is, just some directions. Need any more help - just ask.
Phantom
What Receiver and barrel are you going to use ? Winchester, Remington, Mauser, what are you going to build, heavy barrel - sporter - ? If you go back and look at the one picture with the Template on it you will see the pencil line I put down the middle of the stock, that is the very first starting point. The next is where the trigger will be on the finished stock, I use a small nail and a hole through the bottom template, actually both of them. Attached is a picture of both of the templates, centerlines and hole distances. You can see the small hole at the rear of them, that is where the trigger would be (aprox) on the stock. I use .06 material and make sure that they are square and about the same length to begin with, and drill the holes "Together", that way they are exactly the same distance apart, clamp them together to drill them. There is still a lot of wood to take off and the fitting to you will neccitate taking some wood off, this is the trial and error part of the job -
The key to it is getting the receiver bolts in the right place - and inline. You have some play with them, but not a lot, so be careful with the holes, distance apart and in line. Most of the bolts are 1/4" dia. so drill the hole a little bigger, say 17/64, that way you will be able to align the two haves together and have a little play to where the barrel will set. If you don't have a milling machine, the first one I did I drilled a bunch of holes "inside" of the template and took a Jig Saw and cut the block out, kind of the long way, but it worked. Then it is down to Chisels and Dremils. Depending on the receiver you are going to use, there is a lot of time and effort to doing this, but rewarding. Get some Non Drying Prussian High Spot Blue, from the local parts store and use an acid brush to apply it to the metal parts, it will just wipe off later, and on you if you over do it. Also if you plan to do this regularly, I would suggest getting some gun stock maker bolts from Brownells, they are worth their weight in gold in this process. Be sure during this process to keep the trigger guard and the receiver in-line . . . ""very important"" ! If they get out of alingment or twisted, you have a nice piece of firewood.
If you are really un-sure of this process, I would suggest buying a piece of 4x4 and starting with that just to check your self confidence. I have now done about 5 or 6 of these and some were not Mausers, I made that one above on a Winchester, and they have a 1.365 Radius that the receiver sets in, that had to be stepped off in the mill, that may be over some peoples ability, but for an old tool maker - a piece of cake. Hope this hasn't confused you or made you think it is harder than it is, just some directions. Need any more help - just ask.
Phantom
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Signguy
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phantom496,
Thanks for all the pointers. Very much appreciated.
I have a Winchester 70 that I would like to put a HV barrel on it and see what I can do about a stock.
I have tons of metal around here and can make a template no problem.
I don't have a mill as of yet. We will have to see what the near future will bring.
I will keep you in mind when I get into this and have any questions.
Again, thanks for your time.
Tim
Thanks for all the pointers. Very much appreciated.
I have a Winchester 70 that I would like to put a HV barrel on it and see what I can do about a stock.
I have tons of metal around here and can make a template no problem.
I don't have a mill as of yet. We will have to see what the near future will bring.
I will keep you in mind when I get into this and have any questions.
Again, thanks for your time.
Tim
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phantom496
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Templates for the Winchester.
Here is a picture of the templates I used for the Winchester, and a picture of the inside of the receiver area. The two on the bottom are for the Std. Mod 70, the one with the blue on it is for one without the floor plate and trigger guard, just the trigger gurard. The round piece is a radius gage to make sure that I am getting the radius down to the depth it is supposed to be in the stock. If you have the old stock, you can do all of this quite easily with a pair of dial calipers. I have a height gage that I am able to dial off all of the dimensions with that way they are very close to what I want them. You can also set up a sine plate for the angles, and get them dead on. The Winchester has 3 bolts, thus the 3 holes.
If you would like to borrow these I can send them to you, will save you some time, if you wish.
Phantom
Here is a picture of the templates I used for the Winchester, and a picture of the inside of the receiver area. The two on the bottom are for the Std. Mod 70, the one with the blue on it is for one without the floor plate and trigger guard, just the trigger gurard. The round piece is a radius gage to make sure that I am getting the radius down to the depth it is supposed to be in the stock. If you have the old stock, you can do all of this quite easily with a pair of dial calipers. I have a height gage that I am able to dial off all of the dimensions with that way they are very close to what I want them. You can also set up a sine plate for the angles, and get them dead on. The Winchester has 3 bolts, thus the 3 holes.
If you would like to borrow these I can send them to you, will save you some time, if you wish.
Phantom
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Signguy
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Phantom496,
Those look nice.
Thanks for the offer and I will keep that in mind.
I was just whinning on this forum about my metal work getting boring.
I think I will try to make some of these to do something different.
I will let you knoe how I do.
Tim
Those look nice.
Thanks for the offer and I will keep that in mind.
I was just whinning on this forum about my metal work getting boring.
I think I will try to make some of these to do something different.
I will let you knoe how I do.
Tim
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Big Al
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I have bough a lot of books through this service. Think of them as a clearing house for book dealers all over the world. Pay close attention to the cost of shipping, this can be a make or break on the price of the book. If these books will be used for working books and not collecting then condition should be considered in the price of the book.
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AZLarry
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Brownells.com has many books