Somoli Prirate / Hostage Fix

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Somali Pirate / Hostage Fix

Hand the pirates a suitcase with the $2,000,000 ransom money they request -- Counterfeit bills.

Get Captain Richard Phillips safely aboard a US Navy vessel.

Blow the lifeboat and pirates out of the water. Get a video. With all the Navy vessels on the scene we should be able to get video from several angles, shots from the air.

Edit the video and run it on YouTube.

US declares that pirate ships on the open seas are "free fire zones" and subject without warning to "live fire drills."

I can't believe that commercial ships on the high seas in "pirate waters" aren't armed and prepared to defend their integrity with lethal force. I wouldn't let an unidentified vessel get within a mile of my ship without viewing it as a threat and exercising lethal counter measures in defense.
 
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Geo.OR said:
I can't believe that commercial ships on the high seas in "pirate waters" aren't armed and prepared to defend their integrity with lethal force. I wouldn't let an unidentified vessel get within a mile of my ship without viewing it as a threat and exercising lethal counter measures in defense.
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Try conducting normal business as an armed, non-government chartered vessel. Assuming you aren't treated as a pirate yourself, rule #1 is you have to conduct trade where you can pull into port. Some countries have strict rules on illegal firearm importation - including the death penalty. Restrictions can even extend to possession of FIRED casings (i.e., Jamaica).

Inevitably, pirate attackers make mistakes. Ever hear of the one where ~10 years ago, pirates boarded a "freighter" (IIRC) near the Straits of Malacca? Turns out, it wasn't a freighter - at least not an ordinary one. Soviet "Alligator" class LST, complete with Naval Infantry detachment. :eek:
 
Yeah, well . . . time to get naval law up to speed. Declare the ships "sovereign nation" status while in port. If it doesn't come off the ship, it's not subject to search.

Pirates are bull-poop.
 
Geo.OR said:
Yeah, well Pirates are bull-poop.
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I don't like pirates! Never have! I wouldn't let them ride on my ship.

I heard that some have been stopped by the use of barbed wire in the areas where they are most likely to board.

Concho Bill
 
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ANY boat trying to cross 12 mile line, gets sunk. Eventually the local communities that have need to cross the line will take care of the problem of the pirates by killing them for the bounty the shipping companies would put up rather than pay ransom money. It would put the Somalia war lords and their followers in a war to collect the bounty by killing other war lord and their groups. It would be a way for the legitimate, but ineffective, government to fund the country.

Another thought, the American media has reported, but not investigated, that the RPG's and AK-47 the Mexican drug cartels are using have been traced to South Korea. It would seem that we condone, by a country we occupy, the sale of terrorist weapons.
 
Even standing on the bridge, horizon on the ocean is just over 6 miles. So your 12 mile line is beyond the horizon. (Like it matters.)

South Korea . . . Maybe Hillary, Holder and Feinstein want to pass an AWB in So. Korea.
 
Well the Captain is safe according to the news and there are now three less pirates as they were killed in the firefight....glad the Captain is safe and the bad guys are shark bait.

Phasor
 
Well I'm glad the Captain is safe, and I am glad the crew is too. But the best permanent fix for the Jumbo-Cargo ship hijacking is for us to get off our a$$es and make that bunch of jerks that we pay, I think they were called Congress, to change the order if the day and bring the jobs back to the US.

They are not a Congress any more, now they are no more than a bunch of whores to the lobbyists.

Look in your dictionary for Whore and then look for Congress and see if I am wrong.

All those big boxes you saw on TV were loaded with goods, made in fine places like Communist China that are coming here to replace goods we used to make.

If those Super-Jumbos and Super Tankers were not coming here loaded we'd all be much better off. They make the trinkets and we borrow the money to buy them. We don't have money any more so we borrow money off them to buy their trinkets.

What's going to happen when they want their money back??
 
Get your facts straight..

Any Federally registered vessel can have a lockable armory on board. They must declare the weopons upon arrival in some ports but not all. Yes, there are some countries that prohibit any firearms but not usually international ports. I know of no ports allowing interntional trade prohibiting ships from having arms aboard. Now they have to stay aboard and locked up in certain ports.

I once owned a private sailing vessel with the intent of sailing around the world. I had an armory and was checked at numerous ports but never ran into any problems. Now I was careful to stay out of ports without diplomatic relations with the United States. I had worse encounters with our Navy and Customs than I did with any pirates. While sailing in waters known to have pirates we remained armed and allowed no other vessels closer than 30 yards. Twice we were approached by suspect vessels. We both photographed and videoed these vessels as they approached. We made visable that we were armed. We called on our VHF radio (channel 16) questioning the other vessels intentions. We called by Marine SSB to the Coastguard in New Orleans once and to Norfolk Va once. We gave our location and a discription of the other vessels. In both occasion the suspect vessel decided we were not worth trying to board. We maintained 2 AR-15s, 2 Remington 870s, and a Barrett M82. And from time to time several different handguns. Foreign government are much more concerned about handguns.

In my opinion if the ships bear American flags our Navy should protect them. If the ships are American but foreign registered to avoid taxes then they need to hire Blackwater type folks to look out for their interest.

Our Navy since the Cole has not let any unidentified craft within 100 yards of one of their ships.

Nat Lambeth
 
Samoli Pirate / Hostage fix

Mount a ma fuce on each ship. have some skilled shooters then they won't bother you.
I'm glad the captain is safe' Just in time for easter.
I think there is more to this then what the press reports too.
Pirates are fair game ''
 
There is no

international right to keep and bear arms on the open seas. Once you have entered territorial waters, you are at the mercy of that countries laws. Some are very restrictive. You could not only have your guns taken away, but also risk having your boat impounded, and possibly jail time. I fish in Mexican waters many times each year. We keep a couple of guns readily accessible. If I were ever boarded by Mexico's gate keepers, I would pitch the guns overboard. I'm not going to take the chance of losing my boat or being fired on.
 
The poor pirate that the navy has in custody is not likely to cause anyone else any harm. I think he should be released. Let him swim to shore.

Concho Bill
 
Yeah

He needs to be released into general population in our nearest prison.
 
Bill Wynne said:
The poor pirate that the navy has in custody is not likely to cause anyone else any harm. I think he should be released. Let him swim to shore.

Concho Bill
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Actually the US Constitution has a clause about piracy on the high seas, and it's pretty much backed by international concensus. But I like the idea of having him "fall overboard." Or more traditionally, "walk the plank."
 
Samoli Pirate / Hostage fix

I believe that depends on the trritorial limits are they 10 miles or less?
Repelling boarders is the captains right.
With multi million dollar cargos at stake there should be some agreement. After all it effects everyones goods and services.
 
The simple solution and advertizement would be to capture and hang, over the top rail of any ship that has been attacked. Maybe that would have and effect on future attacks?

Four M-134's remotely operated would be a vary simple solution for any vessel.:D
 
Rustystud said:
Any Federally registered vessel can have a lockable armory on board. They must declare the weopons upon arrival in some ports but not all. Yes, there are some countries that prohibit any firearms but not usually international ports. I know of no ports allowing interntional trade prohibiting ships from having arms aboard. Now they have to stay aboard and locked up in certain ports.

I once owned a private sailing vessel with the intent of sailing around the world. I had an armory and was checked at numerous ports but never ran into any problems. Now I was careful to stay out of ports without diplomatic relations with the United States. I had worse encounters with our Navy and Customs than I did with any pirates. While sailing in waters known to have pirates we remained armed and allowed no other vessels closer than 30 yards. Twice we were approached by suspect vessels. We both photographed and videoed these vessels as they approached. We made visable that we were armed. We called on our VHF radio (channel 16) questioning the other vessels intentions. We called by Marine SSB to the Coastguard in New Orleans once and to Norfolk Va once. We gave our location and a discription of the other vessels. In both occasion the suspect vessel decided we were not worth trying to board. We maintained 2 AR-15s, 2 Remington 870s, and a Barrett M82. And from time to time several different handguns. Foreign government are much more concerned about handguns.

In my opinion if the ships bear American flags our Navy should protect them. If the ships are American but foreign registered to avoid taxes then they need to hire Blackwater type folks to look out for their interest.

Our Navy since the Cole has not let any unidentified craft within 100 yards of one of their ships.

Nat Lambeth
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Had a talk with the local Coast Guard here where I live. We can run into a major problem when carrying firearms on our boats. Once you exceed the 3 mile mark, you have exported a firearm. This isn't a big deal. If you cross over that mark back into territorial waters, you are now importing a firearm into the state. Without the proper documentation, license and import paperwork, you can be charged with numerous Federal and State violations along with the loss of your guns, vessel and a large part of your freedom.
 
Anyway you cut it...the open sea laws, etc. are a crock of crap. Unless it's "convenient"...like in WWII.
 
I like the idea that the captured pirates jump overboard, and the one's who aren't captured get shot by snipers.
 
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