Sight picture @ 600/1000 ?

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alinwa

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I'm new to this long range stuff (actually new to rifle competition of any sort) and I learned to shoot the PPC's and such by splitting the mothball vertically with the dot at 6:00.

I've done this in the last three 600yd matches because it just seems "normal." Today was wicked windy with myself seeing around 10" of vertical, I chose to "sight in" right on the crosshairs and it seemed to be easier for me to fake my holdoffs. My ups/downs were less confusing, more intuitive.

Do some of you 600/1000yd guys try to zero on your crosshairs?? Or do you hold bottom of the mothball?

For me, using a crosshair zero allowed me to relax, a lot! :)

Any opinions welcome.

al
 
alinwa said:
I'm new to this long range stuff (actually new to rifle competition of any sort) and I learned to shoot the PPC's and such by splitting the mothball vertically with the dot at 6:00.

I've done this in the last three 600yd matches because it just seems "normal." Today was wicked windy with myself seeing around 10" of vertical, I chose to "sight in" right on the crosshairs and it seemed to be easier for me to fake my holdoffs. My ups/downs were less confusing, more intuitive.

Do some of you 600/1000yd guys try to zero on your crosshairs?? Or do you hold bottom of the mothball?

For me, using a crosshair zero allowed me to relax, a lot! :)

Any opinions welcome.

al
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Al, good shooting to you and the rest of the guys up there! not sure if its what you are asking, but I always center up on the target, take plenty of sighters, and pick my condition, but always hold in the center unless I am running out of time and think I know what the condition change is. Ron Tilley
 
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Center X hold.
Relax go to "planet Al" and have some fun.:D
 
Al,
I have always used crosshairs and center mass even though it goes against the grain of most BR shooters.

The human eye has the natural ability to center on an object even when the edges are fuzzy or clear. Meaning mirage can change the target all it wants in my book because I hold center of mass with the crosshairs. When mirage picks up the 6 0'clk hold gets fuzzy and changes depending on the amount of mirage. Why aim at something that changes? That is my way of thinking.

Others may disagree... but I have never felt uncomfortable in heavy mirage. I just listen to the rest of the firing line complaining... and just grin. Half of this game is already won right there.

I've proven this time and time again to myself shooting pool also. (one of my other hobbies). I can shoot pool with or without my glasses. I can't read the numbers on the object balls on the other end of a regulation sized table without my glasses. And I'm colored blind to boot so I have to walk down to make sure I'm shooting at the right balls!! ;) But hitting the same spot on an object ball whether I have my glasses on and the edge of the ebject ball is clear or don't have them on and the edge of the object ball is fuzzy is still the same spot. But the "spot" on the ball doesn't change either way. Don't know if that is clear in my explaination or not.

Steve
 
Steve, I'm a pool shooter too. I couldn't agree more with your explanation, it's perfectly clear. (BTW I can shoot just fine with a towel held to block my view of the pocket. Many times I don't even look at the ball OR he pocket, just line up on the room. I knew the shot before I got off my stool, and after that they're ALL my chosen lineup unless I pus it up!..... And I don't "sight down the cue" with one eye, I shoot headsup and never really look at the cue.) I agree that the ability of the human eye/mind to find the lineup is uncanny. I've shot teeeny weeeny groups using low power scopes where I KNOW I'm not dialed down to the tenth, but still shoot a dot.


It was like an epiphany actually shooting where the crosshairs were aiming, HOW BIZARRE!!! But once I got used to it and realized that I wouldn't shoot my crosshairs off it was kinda' dirty simple......... I just don't want to build stupid habits this early in my game (BTDT)

al



"Planet Al"......:rolleyes: ..... If you'da' BEEN THERE you might not be so flippant :D Planet Al makes Oddworld look normal....me an' my brother Abe. Abe got all the looks........
 
BountyHunter said:
Hey Steve,

More of Dave's scotch and the color will come right back to those balls and the blurriness clears right up:D

BH
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BH,
Beleive me I have tried that many times with bourbon and beer. A cue stick in one hand and a drink in the other, I'm probably going to be hanging around awhile. The wife normally figures our where I have been between smelling like smoke or the blue chalk dust between my fingers on my left hand. ;)

Al,
I physically shoot pool right handed but am left eye dominant and shoot with both eyes open also. I normally watch other shooters eyes while they are aiming a shot to tell how good they are.... when their eyes are looking down table while "aiming" you better tighten up when it's your shot. Couldn't agree more.

Steve
 
Steve Shelp said:
Al,
I physically shoot pool right handed but am left eye dominant and shoot with both eyes open also. I normally watch other shooters eyes while they are aiming a shot to tell how good they are.... when their eyes are looking down table while "aiming" you better tighten up when it's your shot. Couldn't agree more.

Steve
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Me too, right handed, left eye dominant. I used to consider this to be a detriment, now I'm not sure.... with the extreme english that I shoot I don't really "line up" anything anyway, it's a game of subtle curves, spits, drags and "watermelonseed squirts"....... the object ball reacts differently to every type of spin and the "lineup" is most often several degrees off anyway.

I'm trying to learn to fly my Farley in reaction to the wind. If I had the time (and the seeds) I'd rig up a random timer to my trigger and try to track the wind in practice while the gun fired when it wanted to....

al
 
I'm still a belly shooter (F class), so I'm wary of adopting a sight picture at a 1000 yards that isn't consistent with my traditions. It suits me anyway. I know that first shot goes high (maybe Bill's wet barrel is the valid argument), so I have the middle of the 9 ring as the first aiming point, then straight into what's natural when I machine gun the rest off - or really get my knickers in a twist if I decide to wait for that same condition.
 
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