Setting headspace on Savage rifle

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Bryan M

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I have been accumulating parts for a savage build, my first one. The rifle is a model 112 action and will be in 6.5x284. So far I have the barrel, new recoil lug, PTG go gauge, barrel nut wrench, and a barrel vise on the way from Brownells. I have the AGI video on savage rifles but he kind of flies through the rebarreling secion. One thing he (Holland) does show is to set the headspace with a piece of scotch tape on the base of the go gauge. I was thinking of doing this but without the tape thinking that this would be a slightly tighter chamber but still within min spec. Does this sound right? Another question is can I turn the barrel down on the go gauge, then torque the barrel nut with the go gauge still in the chamber or will this cause damage to anything?
 
Pull the barrel up hand tight with the guage in place. Remove the guage, and tighten with the wrench, recheck with guage. I don't want any force on any of my guages'. If you have never used one, the wrench will accept a 1/2" drive breaker bar, or torgue wrench. You will also want a very solid mount for the barrel vice.
 
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Some people use scotch tape(.002) on the back of a go guage as a no go guage. If the bolt closes with the go guage and doesnt close with the tape, you know you are within .002
 
Remember that the point of SAAMI specifications is so that any SAAMI chamber will accept any brand of SAAMI-compliant cartridge. This is very important if you are building a rifle for someone else, who may off in the wilds of somewhere & have to dash into the nearest sporting goods store & buy cartridges.

Now consider the difference if you are building the rifle for yourself, for competition. As soon as you go to tight necks -- or at least, those tight enough that a turning tool will have to be used -- you're no longer "SAAMI."

Not recommending anything in print, but one could buy their brass first, and check the length from the casehead to the neck/shoulder junction and to the body/shoulder junction.

(Or use the reamer to make what alinwa calls a "gizzie" -- a short section of a scrap piece of barrel with the reamer run in just far enough to cut the neck, shoulder and a tiny bit of the body. Ends -- or at least the end above the neck, which you will use in measuring operations -- cut true in the same setup as you cut the chamber portion.)

Whatever your measuring device, make the same measurement on the go-gauge. Remember, the number you are after is a difference, not an exact length. You also know the TPI of the tenon thread, so know how much clocking the barrel will change chamber depth.

All this is just information. If you believe, like some, that brass matters a lot, and the best brass comes from fireforming in a chamber where the virgin case is a crush fit, there are several ways of doing that. One is to alter the brass (before fireforming) to fit the chamber. Another to alter the chamber to fit the brass.

Or, as Boyd pointed out in another thread, you can set everything up to fit an already-purchased, off-the-shelf-die. That would require having the die before the reamer is ground, because there are diameters at play, not just length.

You get the idea. Fitting things closely can be done in a variety of ways. SAMMI is a standard everybody agrees to in advance, so brass, camber, and dies all allow variance. The SAAMI system comes with necessary compromises, ones needed for interchange in a commercial world. If, for you own work, you pick one of thing (brass, chamber, dies) as a standard up front, you only have two other things to make compliant, and less compromise in the whole system.

These are things you can only do in your own competition rifles, not work for the public.

Finally, remember that as you tighten the nut on a Savage setup, the action will try to rotate as well. The barrel is held in a vice, but not the action. It will try to rotate a bit. Check with your gauge again after tight.

I use a "Savage nut system" on my 1K Heavy Gun. The back end of the nut sets the cartridge head clearance, the front side of the nut is machined as a cone, to center the whole barreled action in a large diameter tensioning tube. Nothing wrong with a "Savage nut" -- just different advantages and compromises.
 
Put a good assembly lube on the barrel threads - I used to use Never Sieze, but it was pretty messy so now I use Lucas assembly lube from the automotive parts store.

Put the barrel in the vise, screw the nut on, put the wrench on the nut or on the vise side of the nut, slip the recoil lug on the barrel, and screw the action on paying attention to get the recoil lug properly oriented with respect to the notch in the receiver face. Put in the bolt and go-gage. Turn the receiver on till the chamber just contacts the go-gage with the bolt closed, bring the nut up to finger tight, hold onto the action and carefully remove the bolt with out allowing the barrel to shift in the action, stick in a rear entry action wrench and torque the nut up to 100 ft-lbs or so. The tenon of the barrel will stretch to increase headspace between .001" and .002" depending on the torque. The go-gage will fit, a no-go won't fit.

The torque wrench needs to be at 90 degrees to the barrel nut wrench to read accurately as shown in this picture:

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Not shown in the picture is the support I put under the rear entry action wrench ahead of the rachet handle to make sure there was no bending force applied to the action. The vise is bolted to the mill table so I could move it up and down to make the support fit just right. The action in the picture is the Savage 112.

Fitch
 
Hey thanks everyone, lots of good advice. Fitch, do I have to get the rear entry action wrench too or can I do this with just the barrel vise? Also, I have a conversion table for adjusting torque settings with an action wrench, but is it true you do not need to account for the extra length when the wrench is at a 90 degree angle? Thanks again.
 
Hey thanks everyone, lots of good advice. Fitch, do I have to get the rear entry action wrench too or can I do this with just the barrel vise? Also, I have a conversion table for adjusting torque settings with an action wrench, but is it true you do not need to account for the extra length when the wrench is at a 90 degree angle? Thanks again.

I've always used both the action wrench and the barrel vise to be sure the receiver doesn't turn. The action wrench is useful for disassembly too.

If the extension is at 90 degrees to the centerline of the wrench as shown in the picture, the wrench readings are the same as the applied torque and no correction is needed. If the extension makes the handle longer, the applied torque will be more than the reading on the wrench. If the extension is back toward the handle, the applied torque will be less than the reading on the wrench.

Fitch
 
i actually do savages without a barrel vise. i put the savage action in a rem700 action wrench and lock down the action wrench in a bench vise, then use the barrel nut wrench to remove and install barrels.
 
Have done a Savage without an action wrench, with a good barrel vise. From the factory, loosening the nut was a bear. My friend's barrel vise uses steel boxed oak blocks, and a hydraulic jack. Retightening was a breeze, with just a little jiggling, to get the headspace right, with a GO gauge. With the barrel in a benchrest, low torque vise, and one of Fred Moreo's double ended barrel nut wrenches, all that is needed is a way to keep the action from rotating as you start to tighten the nut. This (keeping the action from rotating) actually takes very little force, nothing like what is involved in tightening a shouldered barrel.
 
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