Remington 700 Heavy barrel .308 Win small neck conversion

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Doug Bowser

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I have a Remington 700 .308 Win. heavy barreled Varmint rifle. It has been converted to a "Poor Man's Target Rifle. Using the factory barrel, the muzzle has been recrowned and the breech end of the barrel has been shortened and rechambered , so the outside neck turned and neck sized cartridges do not have to be resized before subsiquent reloadings.

I was wondering who might have accomplished this conversion and how successful these conversions are?

Doug
 
I don't know which smith did the job , Usually they put some kind of identifying marks on the rear of the bbl or receiver on the bottom. If the barrel is good {nice bore] The rifle usually shoots a lot better.
The new chamber is now more center to the actual bore, and the new crown helps keep the bullet from tipping on exit.
If done correctly the accuracy improves quite a bit.
 
you guys need to do some search on the name doug bowser before getting to cocky with anwers......

rebedded, better trigger.....care in loading technique.....good bullets....and as they said if it had a good bbl to start with..it might have potential...
one will only know when you go out and shoot it with good stuff....
the new imr 8208 seems to do well with 168's....if it shoots good with production bullets try some bergers or some real br bullets...


mike in co
 
It could have been me who made those changes. Not too likely on that particular rifle but I have done it, as have countless other amateur and professional smiths. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. As mike in co said, the only way to find out is to go out and shoot it. Some of the early NBRSA LR matches were won with factory Remingtons with nothing whatsoever done to them. Just as many matches were lost with Remingtons that had been accurized. You pay your money and you take your chances.

JMHO

Ray
 
Took this rifle to the range and fired it off the sandbags. 5 shot one hole groups at 100 yards. It was converted by a guy that went by the businesss name of "Poor Man's PPC" from somewhere in West Texas.

It is a fine shooter and it could do better with some load development I was using Sierra 168 International bullets and 40.5 gr IMR 4895 and a Federal Match Primer in Federal cases. By the way the rifle has been converted to single shot.

Doug
 
168 sierra INTERNATIONAL........now there are some old bullets...where you been hiding those ??
 
Doug

One-hole groups are like a pretty girl. Always nice to look at. :)

As you know, the 168 grain International came to be called the 168 MatchKing and was loaded in the US M852 Match ammunition. I collect match ammunition and related stuff. Would you happen to have a box (even an empty one) with the original International label on it? I have a lot of stuff to trade or would buy it from you. Let me know.

Ray Meketa
AZ
 
I started shooting OTC HP rifle in 1962. I even have 500 .30 M72 bullets in 100 round boxes from the old DCM. The DCM used to be very generous to rifle team members i the early 1980's.

My first LEG Match was fired with a 1903-A3.

Doug
 
The 700 Varmint will make into a low cost over the course rifle quite easily. You can buy a 5 round clip adapter that will screw to the rear action bridge, or machine to 40-X configuration. The standard magazine is quite tight for 5 rounds', but can be spaced out. The easy fix is to use the 40-XC stock if you can find one, as it has the deep stock belly.
 
Doug

I also have some of the boxed bullets and cases from the old DCM. You are right - those were the good old days.

The bullets are more correctly called the M1 Type. They pre-date the M72 ammunition by more than 25 years and were still being used in the 7.62mm NATO M118 Match as late as 1982.

Ray
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Thats when the government and dept of the army promoted shooting. those days are long gone.
The spray and pray method was the order of the new day as advent of the M16 today its back to aimed shooting with scopes. In bursts.
 
After WWII and during the KW, very few civilians were allowed to own Garands. Thru the old DCM, registered clubs were issued a certain number of Garands which were used by members in scheduled matches. Depending on how many members participated, ammunition was also supplied by DCM. Junior shooters were issued the old Springfield M22 rifles and 22 LR ammunition.

I was in such a club in those days and we used lockers in the basement of a local elementary school to store everything. Can you imagine something like that today!

Ray
 
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I was at Camp Perry in 1983-1992. I v isited with the Director in 1984. I perceived that the DCM and the NBPRPP was doing the wrong thing with the support money allotted to the National Matches. They were awarding most of travel expense money to shooters that were over draft age (state association senior teams). I told the Director that that was not their mission. The mission of the DCM was to train young people that were under or of draft age in proficient use of rifled firearms. I told him that if a liberal Congressman or Senator discovered the major use of DCM funds outside their mission, they would lose their funding. Enter Pete Stark of California (D). His major argument for defunding was the lack of support for Junior Shooters by the DCM. In less than 2 years the DCM ceased to exist. The CMP was started but the program was badly diminished. We could still be buying M1 rifles for $165 if the DCM were not defunded.

Doug Bowser
President
Mississippi State Firearm Owners Associaation
Secretary
Southwest Mississippi Gun Club
 
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Cheechako said:
After WWII and during the KW, very few civilians were allowed to own Garands. Thru the old DCM, registered clubs were issued a certain number of Garands which were used by members in scheduled matches. Depending on how many members participated, ammunition was also supplied by DCM. Junior shooters were issued the old Springfield M22 rifles and 22 LR ammunition.

I was in such a club in those days and we used lockers in the basement of a local elementary school to store everything. Can you imagine something like that today!

Ray
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OK help me out here Ray. Back in these "Good Ol Days" very few civilians were allowed to own Garands???

Why not?

al
 
you have some right..some wrong...
alot of m4 (short m16's) have dots on them.....
if you have never fired a rifle fitted with a dot at human sized targets, you are in for a big suprise.
you shoot with both eyes open there is next to no "sight alignment".....you can hold over and still see the target for distance shots.....in the urban enviroment much faster than an m14 or a garand...hands down.
the spray part is a direct feedback to the enemy...ak 47's and ak 74's in full auto( and sks's of the past)......
the ak actually has us out gunned at short range....30-40% more energy than the m16 55/62 gr loads.

the world has changed, it does not good to compare to the past.
mike in co
GerryM said:
Thats when the government and dept of the army promoted shooting. those days are long gone.
The spray and pray method was the order of the new day as advent of the M16 today its back to aimed shooting with scopes. In bursts.
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alinwa said:
OK help me out here Ray. Back in these "Good Ol Days" very few civilians were allowed to own Garands???

Why not?

al
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The DCM , in 1983, was selling M1 rifles to civilians, but only 600 were sold every year. Once your application was entered into the system you were eligible for purchase from then on. The rifles were sold by a drawing. It took me 3 years to get mine. You had to sign a declaration that you would not sell the rifle and you only got one ina lifetime. If the rifle became unserviceable, you could send the rifle to the DCM and be sold another M1. I believe the M1 was being kept in war reserve until the time the CMP was organized, now you can buy 3 or 4 rifles each day at the CMP stores.

Doug
 
alinwa said:
OK help me out here Ray. Back in these "Good Ol Days" very few civilians were allowed to own Garands???Why not?al
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Al

After WWII and into the early 1950s, there were no sales of surplus M1s, because there was no surplus, as yet. A few ex-GIs owned legal, registered "war trophies" that they were allowed to keep, but it wasn't until the DCM started selling Garands on a very limited basis that individuals had their very own shootable rifles. You had to be a shooter who actually competed in registered matches in order to qualify to get one. Even then, as Doug said, there was a long waiting list. I got mine in the 1970s. It was a completely re-furbished one but many shooters got old, beat-up rifles that had seen better days. It was luck of the draw. When the "club" rifles wore out, replacement parts could be ordered. By the 1970s even the club rifles were called in leaving it up to individuals to get their own through the lottery.

Some clubs were even blessed with DCM loaned pistols and ammunition. But they were recalled even before the rifles were, as I remember.

I could be, and probably am, off by a few years on my dates. It was a long time ago and my memory is getting more and more compressed.

Ray
 
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