Rebated Boat Tails???

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Why don’t I see them in, or hear about them, in SR Bench?

The newer Tubb DTAC bullets for LR are rebated. His reasoning tracks what Corbin and his relative have said for accuracy.

I would go for rebated boat tails even with no claimed accuracy advantage just for point forming punch longevity. A small bag of damaged 6mm and .22 boat tail point dies that came with a pile of bullet making stuff shows me ya gotta be careful!

We never did find any BT core seating dies. Unless the prior owner was making them BTs solely at the point forming stage…can that even be done???

Related question: why don’t I hear of anyone in bench rest buying Corbin bullet dies?
 
"Coming to a theater near you"......

I started a thread on Accurate Shooter about it but with my usual twists. If your a
member there, look up "Time to make rock candy". I am currently working on my own
designs and have Hammer bullets run them for me on their Swiss lathes. Yes they
are solids !! I shoot .284/7mm and bullets are never available. I"m focused more on
the UBR and Tack Driver style match's. My intent has been to cover ground no one
has walked on......Waiting on the right twist barrel to get data flowing. Initial tests, but
on a Hart 12 twist 7mm barrel shows much promise......Here is a teaser pic of my first
7mm RBT prototypes for short range. Project I"m working on is a 7BR. Dave Kiff is
doing a reamer for me and Lilja a custom straight cylinder barrel for testing......Why
solids ?? Why not ??

Prototypes are .903" long at 92gr. A revision is already in the works after this first lot
of 500 gets tested in a 7BR platform.
 

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Why don’t I see them in, or hear about them, in SR Bench?

The newer Tubb DTAC bullets for LR are rebated. His reasoning tracks what Corbin and his relative have said for accuracy.

I would go for rebated boat tails even with no claimed accuracy advantage just for point forming punch longevity. A small bag of damaged 6mm and .22 boat tail point dies that came with a pile of bullet making stuff shows me ya gotta be careful!

We never did find any BT core seating dies. Unless the prior owner was making them BTs solely at the point forming stage…can that even be done???

Related question: why don’t I hear of anyone in bench rest buying Corbin bullet dies?
OldM1 -

Howdy !

Well, this perhaps is not exactly what you were asking about…

I have used a swaged lead polymer-capped .35” cal rebated BT for accuracy experiments in my
Marlin M-336XLR .35 Remington. I pulled the 195gr bullets from”Dead Center Duplex” .45 cal saboted
muzzleloader rounds.

When “ patched “ w/ one wrap of DYMO nylon label maker tape, they make loaded cartridge neck OD
too large to fit the XLR’s factory chamber. * My solution was to cut the neck completely off the case,
Leaving just enough for me to form a larger shoulder area on the case…giving me my wildcat “ .35 Remington Neckless “.

I single-load my “neckless “ rounds by first breech seating the bullet w/ a home-made breech seating tool
( made from a Torx wrench and a length of plastic drinking straw ).

Powder charges are held in the case by a small wad of tissue paper folded back upon itself.

I single load for all shots.

The modified case is given a nominal case mouth ID of .310”, which allows the .308” diameter upper end of the bullet’s
boat tail to self-guide into case as the lever is closed, and bolt advances the charged case into battery. I use a 7.65
Mauser FL die to form the additional shoulder area w/ .310” case mouth ID on the “ neckless “ case.

After firing, the same 7.65 Mauser die is used to tamp the slightly expanded case’ mouth back to .310” ID, to allow reloading and re-use of the case.

The rebated boat tail bullet feature provides powder combustion gas sealing, by interfacing w/ the flat surface of the case’ mouth. These two components are pressed together when the bolt is closed, by nature of the bullet being already
sufficiently seated into the rifling. * The rebated BT 195gr Dead Center bullet is long enough to reach into the rifling, making the whole case firing and pressure build up process possible.

The “.35 Remington Neckless “ is “ minute of deer “ accurate, in the form described.
It’d be fun just to try it out @ a “score” shoot IMHO, despite suspected challenges in things like speed of loading/shooting,
and gun handling on the bench.


With regards,
357Mag
 

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well bart had some in long range 105 rebated boat tail. i think i was the first to shoot in competition (nbrsa 600/1000 nationals2015) my first 600 yd match, a brand new rifle, and barts brand new bullet. i was in the top one third in score on day one, settled down a bit with the rifle and a better plan( aim at the middle) i shot a 147 5x to tie the exsisting record. my six target total gave me first place in score. not bad for a new bullet. buuuuut alas it seems the tooling didi not last long and the bullets went away.
 
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Bart had some in long range 105 rebated boat tail.
Do you remember if Bart's RBT was on a tangent or secant ogive ?? I'm thinking
there is something worth the effort with a RBT short porch,tangent bullet. Another
can to kick.....
 
Just some info on how one ole tool and die make made BT bullets. In 1970 I had a chance to visit L.E. Wilson at his shop in Cashmere, WA. Got the full tour, and ended up in his personal bullet making/shooting tunnel room.! Yes he actually had a 100 yd tunnel to test in!!! Anyway he showed me how he made 30 cal BT bullets. First step was to BT the jacket cup. The cores were squirted with a BT end that matched the interior of the jacket cup, and were then seated in the cup. Finally the bullet was pointed up with a point up punch the matched the BT perfectly. Amazingly L.E made the point up die in two sections, a cylindrical section for the shank and an ogive section for the point , and NO WAY could you see a "ring" on the bullet where the two sections contacted each other. His BT's were not rebated. Quite an interesting and talented guy.

FWIW
Steve Kostanich
 
Do you remember if Bart's RBT was on a tangent or secant ogive ?? I'm thinking
there is something worth the effort with a RBT short porch,tangent bullet. Another
can to kick.....
call him and ask..i only had a bout 70 just enough for the 600 and maybe the 1k but we got rained out last day.
 
Thanks, Fuj! I'll go look at that one soon.

And howdy back, .357Mag! Love that ingenuity and commitment to making that approach work.

I'm a-gonna look up Bart sometime soon too and get his input.

All: who can I look up for tips on making 6mm boat tail bullets? AND locating dies? Seems like there's only one source for new ones now...

Thanks!
 
Give a shout to Al Nyhus on here. He has a huge thread going on Accurate Shooter called
"Time to make the Donuts".......It has about all the people that are involved in making bullets
and die makers. Randy Robinettte and George Ulrich are in there quite a bit for dies, and quite
a bit about presses and proper set ups and use. It's turned into quite the data mine......
 
Indeed, Fuj! Al has become one of my heros. Been following that thread over there. Another week before I have enough time "in country" to start my own thread with a question... Great places here and there.
 
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No hero, guys. I didn't start that thread (over 70K views) to give advice on bullet making.

I'm a one trick pony with a good set of dies and an excellent mentor (Randy 'R.G.' Robinett) who has helped me along the bullet making trail for years...and continues to do so to this day.

That so many have joined in and given of their time and offered tips is very cool. Good ideas don't care where they come from. :cool:

Good shootin' :) -Al
 
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