Reade Range 1000yd BR League Rule Changes for 2008

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John Hoover

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After a lot of thought, we decided to change the light gun rules beginning 2008. The weight limit for light guns is now 17 lbs. That is basically the only restriction. The are still restrictions regarding the rests & sandbags. Our rules can be viewed at www.readerange.org. Click on the bulletins tab.

Also new for 2008 - We're also going to introduce a factory class. These rules can also be viewed in the Reade Range website.
 
LMFAO!

You mean to tell me the folks who just got done boycott'ing the World Open because there were 17lb guns allowed to shoot there, are now changing thier mind!

Yer too funny... Ya know, those guns with the extra weight are gonna kick yer ass don'tcha. :D:D

I bet'cha Darryl's just beside himself!
 
Reede Range

Sorry to disappoint you here Phil but Darryl thought it was a very good idea indeed to take the "limitations" (especially barrel diameters) off the 16 1/2 # class. With a newly formed 1000 yard range the change in rules should be very interesting to new shooters in that area of Pennsylvania and elsewhere.
With the addition of a factory class this year, it was a no brainer to remove the rules from the 16 1/2 lb class so any factory guns could shoot in the light gun class too. Last season at Reede, we had several new shooters with guns that were over the 16 1/2 lb limit and barrel muzzle diameter limits.
The barrel diameter was the problem with the factory class guns entering into the Light gun class. Savage has two or three models that weigh around 13# with a 1" muzzle diameter and it was either limit the weight of the factory guns to 11# or allow any "factory" gun to shoot in the factory class.
Now if someone wants to shoot two classes by using their Savage or other factory gun in the light gun class the door is wide open. No more muzzle diameter restrictions on the light guns at Reede. A very good idea. We're still shooting ten shots not five and the weight limit is now 17#. Way to go John and Dianne for the change, I'm all for it.

As for a boycott of the WO, not true from my standpoint. Shooting at Reede last season and building a new garage and many other projects here, I was simply to busy to come to the event.

With the amount of shooting at Reede planned this season, the mileage being 65 (to Reede) as compared to 110 to Williamsaport, Carol and I will be very busy again this year too.

With names such as the Hoovers, Conzos, Murtiffs, Murtaugh and others, the Reede range certainly has the compitition.

Later
Darryl
 
Rule changes

After reading the bulletin. There are no restictions on barrel diameter, etc. Smacks of IBS rules to me. Do I see 5 shots for record next?
 
Frank
I doubt very much if John and Dianne have any thoughts of "ever" changing the ten shot string to five as the to IBS have in their light gun rules.

As for your second comment---Lets just say for the good and welfare of a new range establishment, there's an advantage to opening up the light gun rules which I explained in my first post. Please read it again.

The old saying must be true, "you can teach old dogs new tricks" after all.:)

Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, I'm mellowing in my old age:) to be "for" the change?

Later
Darryl
 
Age

Yep, age has a lot to do with it plus the amount of years in the 1000 yard shooting game.
No hypocrisy on my part what so ever. I honestly welcome the change of rules at Reade and commend John and Dianne for it.

Later
Darryl:)
 
Just my .02

John, Darryll, and whomever else it may concern,
Bravo!! to have the foresight to change rules so new shooters can enter the sport, wow now that is change for the good of the sport!!
just look at the groundhog shoots that bring competitors in by the truckload. also the insight to keep the 10 shot rule that will keep competition alive. just one look at IBS records and one can quickly see that 10 shots make shooters deal with wind and heat more. that is what keeps the playing field even, meaning that once newbees learn to read wind conditions they have as good of a chance as the fellow with a fat wallet and his own machine shop to win a relay. again Kudo's and best of luck to the new range, sincerely :)
Greg Moyer
 
New Rules for Reade Range

After reading the posts regarding our decision to change the rules, Dianne, Tom Murtiff and I decided to respond. First of all, one of the main reasons for the change is that we've been approached by several individuals who have purchased the new Savage rifle. Under our "old" 16 1/2 lb. rules this gun would have been illegal. It was our goal to come up with rules so we don't have to turn any shooters away. We've also had interest from shooters who attend groundhog matches. This new rule will allow them to compete at 1000 yards.

Tom, Dianne and I have attended matches at different 1000 yard clubs over the years and will continue to do so, but when the opportunity presented itself for us to start a club 18 miles from home, we jumped at the opportunity. The range is a great place to shoot! Last year we shot only 8 matches but the winning 6 match group was 7.7615". The winning 6 match score aggregate was 94. Our small group of the year was 4.798" and our high score was 99.

The bottom line is we like to shoot and hope this change will get more people to the range to compete. They can shoot the rifles they have and not have to worry about a lot of rules, only make the 17lb. weight restriction.

Hope to see you at Reade Range in 2008!

John Hoover
Dianne Hoover
Tom Murtiff
 
Good Luck !!!

I'd have to pass Williamsport to visit you guys but if the "bug" ever gets me I would love to try out your range. It is a great pleasure to shoot on your relays at Williamsport so please try to attend a few this year. Your friend, The Yukon Kid a.k.a. Peter Flisock
 
Finally!

I am so gratified to see that those who, in the past, were so much against change have finally seen the light. I have worked toward getting all 1000 yard shooters on the same page for so long and have had to face strong objections, a lot of the objections coming from John and Dianne Hoover, Tom Murtiff and Darryl Cassel. Most recently those objections surfaced when our Original Pa 1000 yard club changed light gun rules to allow the use of stock tape. Oh, what a rackus that was. And what a ruckus was brewed when we allowed 17 lb. light guns to shoot at the World Open. Screams of how unfair that would be are still ringing in my ears. But to see that they have now come around to my point of view puts a huge grin on my face. I will be approaching the Original Pa. 1000 yard club members with this, to have light guns weigh 17 lbs. and to take away those restrictions I have always thought were so stupid. I just never thought my biggest supporters would be John, Dianne, Tom and Darryl. Just goes to show you, when you're right, you're right.
 
Supporters?????

Joe.

Have to clear a few items up for you here.

A history lesson is called for too. In the infancy or beginning of the 16 1/2 lb class at Williamsport, Bruce Bear (President at the time) along with Steve Warner made the muzzle diameter rules (.950") and the stock width of three inch rule, the weight rules (16 1/2Lb) along with most "all" of the other rules we used in the beginning and right up to 2005. Very little changed from those early years execpt we eleminated the 11 # class.

True----Some of us have been against change because all our records were fired using the rules that Bruce came up with at the time. For you to say they were "stupid" is a slap in the face to Bruce and Steve.

Opening up the light guns and bringing a factory class to Reade range this year was a welcomed and needed change. As they explained, John and Dianne did it to allow the factory guns with 1" muzzle diameters to be able to shoot in the light gun class which was a good idea. Without light gun rule changes some of the factory guns being manufactured "now" would not be able to shoot in the light gun class if it was left with muzzle diameter resrictions. May as well open it up and just weigh the guns in the LG class. That was another good idea.

As far as getting "all" 1000 yard shooting on the same page, I doubt that will ever happen. Even if all 1000 yard clubs had a 17# limit, some organizations would want to hold on to their 10 shot for record while others want to keep it at 5 shots and maintain their records. Some allow mechanical rests in the butt stock in their light gun class while others hold to the sandbag rules in the rear of the stock.

As far as John, Dianne, Tom and myself supporting you----My comment to that is----Please don't think we are supporting you Joe, it sounds as if you are "supporting us" and the Reade range by saying you are "now" going to approach the members at Williamsport for a major rule change like John and Dianne have already done for the members at Reade.
The change was neccessary for growth at the Reade range and that's why the rules were changed. You had "nothing" to do with the change what so ever.

John and Dianne are doing whats best for the Reade range and it's future. It was a move to bring in new shooters and that's the bottom line. No more, no less. When your right your right (you said) doesn't apply here at all Joe.

I must say, this is going to be a new concept to get used to ----Shoot whatever you want in the light gun class as long as it's not over 17# and not over 40 cal.
The rules committee won't be to busy now.

Hope that cleared some things up.

Later
Darryl
 
Hey Darryl some day before you die maybe you will be able to see past yourself!!! You seem to only want things that are all self serving to you!!! What is funny here is you guys all say well the rule changes are to get more people to shoot. Well that is what Joe tried to do at Williamsport. Darryl age has not changed you you are the same egocentric guy you always were!!!!!!


Joe Salt- Looks like the 17 lb thing is looking up!!!! The flip flops have flipped so you should have very little resistance!!!
 
moving forward

Anyone who knows what's going on knows that Bruce Baer is well aware of going to 17 lbs. and no other restrictions on light guns. He put up a petition last year asking to do that very thing. Bruce Baer and Steve Warner made the original rules for light guns thinking they were the best rules for the times. But Bruce knows times change and sometimes rules need to be changed too. The only person who wants to portray what I said to be a slap in the face to Bruce and Steve is Darryl Cassel. I respect Bruce and Steve and they know it. I haven't been the only one who has spent the last few years working toward getting 1000 yard shooters together, there are people in the IBS who want the same thing and they have found a board of directors at Pa. who want to work with them (finally!). I have been told that there are agenda items at the IBS to change their 5 shot record to a 10 shot record. That will make us closer still and I have hopes that the day will come when we all have the same rules and have the same intentions of getting all 10 shots in one hole. I know thinking of yourself as my supporter must gall you, Darryl. But those are the facts, you're supporting an idea that I have been pushing for quite some time, so a supporter you are and I'll take help where I can get it, even from you. :cool:
 
Well said

Now let's get on with it!! I have always felt that one set of rules across the country was the best way to go. I always felt that we had the rules pretty well established- if you built a gun to Williamsport classification then you could shoot anywhere in the country. I will however change that stance to whatever my club wants to do, if we accomodate more shooters by tweeking the rules then lets get on with it!!!!!!!!!!! I dare say that if the rules were changed in Williamsport it would have a dramatic impact on every club across the country. Lets not be the anchor on this boat, lets be the engine.
 
oneflyer said:
Now let's get on with it!! I have always felt that one set of rules across the country was the best way to go. I always felt that we had the rules pretty well established- if you built a gun to Williamsport classification then you could shoot anywhere in the country. I will however change that stance to whatever my club wants to do, if we accomodate more shooters by tweeking the rules then lets get on with it!!!!!!!!!!! I dare say that if the rules were changed in Williamsport it would have a dramatic impact on every club across the country. Lets not be the anchor on this boat, lets be the engine.
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That is an excellent statement Frank and if 10 shots is being discussed then that would be for the betterment of the sport. The course of fire would be a point of contention though. I'm refering to the NBRSA.

H-Bar
As for your statements , I am not pushing for anything that benifits me at all and never have. Please explain what has ever been self serving or ever benifited me in any way at Williamsport or Reade? I'm not that good of a shooter anyway so really nothing could ever benifit me. I do like a level playing field for everyone though and that's where the rule structure came in. I am for the change that John and Dianne have made at Reade range because I think it will bring in new shooters especially with a "factory class" added this year. Again, this does not benifit me at all. Not sure if I'll shot the factory class but, maybe just to add numbers of shooters. Over the years at Williamsport, I was for the rule structure of the guns and being on the rules committee tried to make sure the guns met all of the criteria set forth.
I won't build a new gun for a wide open 17# class. I will continue to shoot my old Williamsport legal 16 1/2# rifle at Reade.
Quite possibly, you might understand the operations and future of the Williamport range better had you ever been a Board member which I don't think you are/were.


Joe

Regardless of what you say, I don't think "anyone" from the Reade organization was supporting you when and for the reason the change was made. It was done "only" because of a factory class being added this year and I think John and Dianne wanted to make sure that the new factory class guns with a 1" diameter muzzle could be shot in the light gun class. Hence, the rule change to bring in new shooters who want more shooting and could enter their factory rifle in the light gun class. It was a very good idea from the Hoovers. You said last year Bruce passed a pitition around to open up the light gun class to 17# with no restrictions. How many signed it?
As per your last statement in your post, you have my permission to take "me" off your support list. My support is for John and Dianne and the Reade range and will stay that way. "They" have certainly taken the lead in implementing the new rule change decision.

Later
Darryl
 
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ONE will resist !!!

16 1/2lb is 16.5 lb. and I hope it stays that WAY !!!! Change for change sake is BULL, NOT when all the records are at 16.5 lb. I am in favor of the Super Shoot allowing the 17 lb limit, BUT that was IT !!! This is NO personally tiff, or popularity contest, this is the foundation the club established at the berginning and upon that "rock" we built the game !!!! OUR guns are unique just as the wind is Unique at Williamsport !!!! Peter Flisock a.k.a. The Yukon Kid
 
I am glad to see the reade range change to 17lbs.the other 1/2 pound dosn't mean anything.we proved that years ago at the nationals and in the world open in the heavy gun class.I like to see 17lbs I'm all for it:D:D:eek:
 
Northwest 1000 Yard Club

Just to add our two cents worth...the Northwest 1000 Yard Clubs Secretary's Secretary has had great relations with Darryl, John, Diane, Joe and Phil Bower. I couldn't have done it without all the help from all of you.
We have allowed 17 lb. guns at our Championship Shoot for 2 years, an all seems to be going fine. If PA. wants 17 lb.ers, let'er rip....we just want to shoot and follow all the rules. Best wishes to John, Diane and Darryl for great success, and to Joe Salt and all the PA club members for continued great shooting. Let us know how to go Joe and we are ready for it!!! As for fuzzy faced Bruce Baer, get on back here this year and lets have some great times and steaks!
You guys are all top notch in my book, and our club members feel the same!! Sure would like to see Bill and Diane Shehane also, and any of you guys from PA or Reade Range for our Championship Shoot. It's a doozy!!!
Best to you all, Pat Capehart
 
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