Questions about Nationals?

M

ModelA

Guest
Garrett,
Looking at pictures of your last shoot several people shot on concrete topped / concrete leg benches /concrete slab.

Others shot off pipe leg wood or plastic decking top, and others shot off wide tables with the same decking top both on sand?

What will be used at the Nationals and how many benches of what style?

Will the shooter post his own target? 5 min isn't much time to set up a bench plus wind flags/probes.

Thanks for any input.

Paul
 
Answers

Hi Paul,
The pictures show the high power section at our range. For the Nationals, we will be on a different 40 position range. The tables have 3" square tubular steel and synthetic wood tops. Rock solid. Everything is sot on a concrete floor. The range you see in the pics is the smaller range. For the nationals that area will be a sight in, practice range and chrono area.
All targets will be pre mounted on fresh backing for every match. They will be hung and removed by our crews, so all time can be focused on getting ready. There is 20 minutes in between each match, so plenty of time. 10 min to set up. 10 to break down. Regulation time.
Thank you for your inquiry.

Garrett
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Thanks for the reply!

garrettkq said:
Hi Paul,
The pictures show the high power section at our range. For the Nationals, we will be on a different 40 position range. The tables have 3" square tubular steel and synthetic wood tops. Rock solid. Everything is sot on a concrete floor. The range you see in the pics is the smaller range. For the nationals that area will be a sight in, practice range and chrono area.
All targets will be pre mounted on fresh backing for every match. They will be hung and removed by our crews, so all time can be focused on getting ready. There is 20 minutes in between each match, so plenty of time. 10 min to set up. 10 to break down. Regulation time.
Thank you for your inquiry.

Garrett
Click to expand...

Garrett,
Looks like we will have at least 3 or 4 from the North East ! waiting on one to see if he can get time off before we register. Looking forward to your shoot.
Paul
 
Garrett,

Besides the 10 minute/20 minute/10 minute time frames for relays, common questions involve how the target will be oriented, horizontal or vertical, power testing, what pellet and how many, weighing, air tubes, empty or full and if someone uses the same gun for multiple classes, will it be tested for power and weight more than once.
 
Regarding the targets orientation when hung: in the 2011 Rulebook (sorry, I haven't downloaded an upgrade) it said:
"World Championship Targets to be printed on 160 gsm (grams per square meter) paper minimum and placed only in the horizontal position."

Now, maybe things have changed since I downloaded my copy of the Rulebook, plus where this is for the USAARBR NATIONALS, and not the WRABR Nationals, I agree it should be whatever Steven dictates on the attitude of the targets when hung. Although, where this shoot will be one of the major Qualifiers for the 2015 WORLDS, I would think the WRABF Rules would superseed and be applied.

Just my 2¢ worth, for whatever that's worth.

Dave Shattuck
 
Garrett,

Please be advised that I am NOT about to dictate how you and your team run the USA Nationals. We do hope that WRABF rules and format are adhered to but these are only suggestions. Your event and all other sanctioned regional events will be used as qualification scores for Team USA slots at the 2015 World Championships in Brisbane, Australia.
 
More Answers.

Target orientation: Horizontal. Vertical placement will not be accepted. All targets will be pre mounted. We will have custom target backers that are sized to fit around the targets, this will be to minimize wind deflection. Each match and target will receive brand new target backers. No target backers will be reused. We will have staff that will place and remove all targets. Thus allowing shooters to maximize their time setting up.
Power testing: your rifle will be tested in the shooting configuration. Filled to max with air, for weight and chrono testing. Pellet choice: you may provide the pellet or we can provide one for you. The pellet will be weighed, and shot over the chronograph. The chronograph used will be a Oehler model 35P.
FPE will be determined by using the calculator on either;
http://www.pyramydair.com/article/What_is_Muzzle_Energy_August_2003/5,
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/energycalc.htm
or the Chairgun Application.
All using the standard formula for FPE calculation.
Five shots will be taken. None may exceed the the FPE for that class.
Weights for your rifle will have a 1 ounce leeway, as per World standard.
Winners will be reweighed and power checked. All rifles that have adjustable settings will have tamper evident tape applied. Any evidence of tamper will result in disqualification. Random inspection and random retesting will occur, so please expect this.
If the same rifle is used for a different class than what it was tested for, it must be retested prior to the match. Some people have indicated they would like to reassemble their rifle for the different class matches. Testing can be done at any time, but must have the testing sticker affixed to the rifle prior to the shoot.
Dimensional standards will be adhered to as well. Please see the WRABF standards on their website for details.
It is the responsibility of the shooter to know your rifle's performance. It will be unacceptable to ask for an exception to the above due to the shooters failure to know your equipment.

Thank you for your inquiries.

Garrett
 
Three Day National's ??

Garrett,
Just saw how your going to be running the match? So if I wanted to shoot all five classes? I would have to shoot 12 targets on Sat.??? And 3 on Sunday? Why not use Fri to shoot one or two of the smaller classes? Springer and LV?
What is the reason your shooting Target 1 of every class? Then Target 2 of every class? Then target 3?
It doesn't look like you have much room for cleaning 1 gun for each shooter but 4 guns???
Bench rotation? If I am shooting 4 classes on Sat and start out with Springer on bench 1, Will I stay on Bench 1 for LV Class and HV and Open? If not and a bench change between each class? How close is the nearest Hospital??
Your sure taking the fun out of benchrest!

Paul
 
Garrett,

I may not have a dog in this race - that is other than for Paul and the rest of my Northesterner friends who are planning on making the trip - as I can't afford to make the trip so what you do won't affect me one way or the other. But what Paul described sounds absolutely insane and I truly do hope he's wrong.

My suggestion: run each Class, all 3 cards, in their entrity before starting the next Class, then do the same for that one. In all the otherdisciplines of shooting I am aware of the rules state that only one Class can be contested at a time with no other Classes being at the benches during that time frame, and if multiple Classes are being contested I believe they also state that each Class will be shot in its entrity before the next Class will be contested. The way you're offering it is a little haphazard, don't you think.

Plus, if you're running 2 relays, or worse, 3, then the time involved even if using a 20 minute clock will be at least 35 to 45 minutes per relay, meaning if 3 Classes are being contested withing a day you had better get an early start because you're gonna run out of day light otherwise. Using 40 minutes as the average it calculates out to being 12 hours of shooting if 2 ralays, and 18 if 3. Good luck with that!

Oh, and Paul, you didn't mention how you'll have to be doing all this rushing around in 90 to 100° conditions.

As I said, it's really none of my business as I won't be there. I just want you to put on the best show in the country for all my friends who will be to enjoy themselves while bringing home stories that will make the rest of us envious.

Dave Shattuck
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top