Question for Mike Bryant

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Bob McGee

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Mike I like your idea of using a dead center placed in the rear of your head stock to chamber short barrels. Seems to be an easy solution to one of my on going problems. How snug do you think that the carrier for the dead center should fit in the head stock, I have a piece of cold roll that is a little lose by maybe .005", it tightens up nicely with the spider screws on the rear end but I believe that the end holding the center might be able to shift around. What are your feelings on this?
 
Bob...while you are waiting for Mike to respond...I have addressed the short barrel problem on my Grizzly 4003G by drilling and tapping a second set of "spider" holes on the back side of my headstock...using these two spiders...which are about 1 1/2" apart...I put a 12" long .750" diameter piece of accuracy stock that has a 60 degree machine on one end (looks like a long dead center)...I put this into the dual spider setup and slide it in far enough to be a center support for a short barrel muzzle...I then indicate the 12" long rod nearest to the headstock spider and at the extended end...much like you indicate a ranging rod that is placed into a bore..this give you an accurate supported center to put your short barrel muzzle onto..:)

Eddie in Texas
 
Eddie, thank you for your reply. I am also working with a grizzly 4003G, and believe your method is easy to adapt to my needs. I am a little disappointed that no one else offered a suggestion. I guess that it was my fault for asking the question directly to Mike and to the forum in general.
 
I always chamber the barrel before cutting it off, that way I have plenty of length to reach through he head stock, then for crowning I have made up a bar that screws on the chamber end like the action would and that gives me the length I need to reach through the head stock to crown the barrel.

I realize that this does not help with setting back an already short barrel, but it works nicely on new blanks.

Gary
 
This is great this all helps me as well. I am working with a colchester clausing 15 x 50 and it too is a long way through the headstock.

Paul
 
This is why I rebuilt my 1983 Jet 12 X 36 with Tinkham bearings and converted it to DC drive...........Perfect for gunsmithing with its relatively short headstock.

And to think I almost traded it away for a "bigger and better" lathe.......Yikes!
 
Bob,
My dead center is a slip fit into the back of the spindle. It's made of aluminum and has stainless centers on each end. One center is turned for a pilot for removable bushings, either .22 cal or 6mm. I like the bushing because it keeps the barrel from falling off the center when you're moving the barrel around. How close to center it actually has to be, I don't know. I talked to Troy Newlon one time. He said he used the cardboard bushings that he uses to ship his dies to hold up short barrels on the back end of his lathe. Ron Hoehn also uses some kind of a bushing set up to hold up the muzzle end of his barrels.

When I bought my lathe, I bought a shell reamer that had been used to ream the spindle of another Kent owner's lathe. I ran the reamer through holding the back of a long bar using the carriage to drive the shell reamer through the spindle. When finished the inside hole of the spindle had .0005" runout. I probably have a little more runout than that on the dead center due to the slip fit having a thousandth or so clearance plus tolerance stack. It's probably not that important what you use or how much runout you have at the muzzle. It doesn't seem to make that much difference with Gordy's method and I'm not sure that it makes much difference if you use the method that I use indicating the barrel in at the projected throat and drilling and boring out most of the chamber.

Just as a test one time, I took a Shilen #4 contour barrel, ran it between centers and turned the cylinder end concentric between centers which it was probably pretty close anyway. Took the cylinder and chucked it up in the lathe chuck with the muzzle end hanging loose. Indicated the bore at the projected throat, drilled and bored out most of the chamber and chambered the barrel. The barrel in .30-06 installed on a trued Sako will easily shoot 1/2" accuracy. We don't know just how well it will shoot as we're still shooting the same load that we threw together and haven't wasted hardly any bullets downrange working up loads for it. It's plenty accurate for a deer rifle even for shots pretty far out.

Sorry I didn't see your question sooner, but I've been building rifles and don't spend a lot of time on the forum's anymore.

Mike

Paul,

The Kent lathe that I have is a copy of a Clausing Colchester adapted by Kent to use a VFD drive. The non VFD drive lathe they make is just about a direct copy of the Clausing Colchester. Rex Reneau uses a Clausing Colchester. I'll have to ask him what he uses to chamber short barrels.

Mike
 
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