Question about a Redding "body die" function.

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VaniB

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I've never owned a Redding"body die". From what I've read and understand, it is supposed to size the case and bump the shoulder back just like a full length sizer die..... except it doesn't touch the neck....right?

My question is; How is this much different then my full length S die if I were to leave out the bushing? Would it not act the same way?
 
VaniB said:
I've never owned a Redding"body die". From what I've read and understand, it is supposed to size the case and bump the shoulder back just like a full length sizer die..... except it doesn't touch the neck....right?

My question is; How is this much different then my full length S die if I were to leave out the bushing? Would it not act the same way?
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The main difference of which I'm aware is that the die is designed to be used now and then, "when the case needs to be bumped," elsewise you are to neck size only.

In other words, every 3-6 firings you're supposed to rig the body die up and give 'er a whack.

Or some guys dedicate a press.

al
 
VaniB said:
I've never owned a Redding"body die". From what I've read and understand, it is supposed to size the case and bump the shoulder back just like a full length sizer die..... except it doesn't touch the neck....right?

My question is; How is this much different then my full length S die if I were to leave out the bushing? Would it not act the same way?
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You're right. Absent the bushing, a full length Redding S die will function identically to a Redding body die.

Greg
 
Alinwa,

I can only see your name, but I can't hear you. You and that other rude guy from Colorado are on my IGNORE list. I don't care how experienced and knowlegeable that you are in these shooting sports. I've had quite enough of your arrogance and insult. Please do not participate in my threads and I will not make any further mention of this.




German and Greg,

That's what I had summised. I thank you both for confirming this to me and helping to save me from a needless expense.
 
Alinwa,

I can only see your name, but I can't hear you. You and that other rude guy from Colorado are on my IGNORE list. I don't care how experienced and knowlegeable that you are in these shooting sports. I've had quite enough of your arrogance and insult. Please do not participate in my threads and I will not make any further mention of this.


Man that is harsh.

Tim
 
Signguy said:
Alinwa,

I can only see your name, but I can't hear you. You and that other rude guy from Colorado are on my IGNORE list. I don't care how experienced and knowlegeable that you are in these shooting sports. I've had quite enough of your arrogance and insult. Please do not participate in my threads and I will not make any further mention of this.


Man that is harsh.

Tim
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Maybe you haven't had him tell you that your rifle (which you had just spent weeks completing and being very proud of) looks like crap, and that this isn't the kind of websight to come looking for "undeserved" compliments.

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Still on another thread, he let me know that my handloading experience evidently wouldn't qualify me to be able to provide any usefull input or opinion on the subject for anybody..........because if I wanted be a somebody on this websight, I have to "earn it".

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Tim, here is your opportunity to tell me that you don't like my rifle, or that you don't believe I have any skills in the shooting sports. But why would you needlessly insult or hurt people? It's pompous and unnecessary. If you can't say something nice to somebody, then why not just say nothing? The vast majority of the guys on this websight are fine folks. While I've had disagreeances and debate on many occassions with many people, I've never considered blocking them. In the 10 years or so that I have used the internet, I've done this only twice.

Unfortunately, on rare occassion the "ignore" button has its purpose.
 
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VaniB,

You have my sincerest apologies, and I hope you take it as such.

I should have never butted into your thread unless I had something to offer besides sarcasm.
You have every right to contribute and should.
I have nothing else to add except you should be proud of your project and how it shoots.

Tim
 
Signguy said:
VaniB,

You have my sincerest apologies, and I hope you take it as such.

I should have never butted into your thread unless I had something to offer besides sarcasm.
You have every right to contribute and should.
I have nothing else to add except you should be proud of your project and how it shoots.

Tim
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Tim, no apologies due, and no insult taken.

Neither did I take your post as sarcastic or as an attack on me. I was merely playing devils-advocate and giving you the same opportunity to act just as he had.......so you could see first hand how hurtful it would be....and why I want nothing further to do with that man.

Perhaps my point was misunderstood. My apologies to you. I know that you're just trying to be a fair person. Thanks.


Randall :)
 
VaniB said:
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Tim, no apologies due, and no insult taken.

Neither did I take your post as sarcastic or as an attack on me. I was merely playing devils-advocate and giving you the same opportunity to act just as he had.......so you could see first hand how hurtful it would be....and why I want nothing further to do with that man.

Perhaps my point was misunderstood. My apologies to you. I know that you're just trying to be a fair person. Thanks.


Randall :)
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Good luck Tim! ;)

:)

al
 
Back to the original topic, I've got Redding body dies that have been both larger and smaller in the body then their FL dies. Since an FL die will perform both functions, and I've discovered that FL sized brass shoots just as well as NS I've quit buying both NS and body dies.

In some factory chambers FL sized brass shoots better than NS. Ever noticed how frequently new brass shoots better than fired NS brass? Properly FL sized brass will do the same.
 
VaniB said:
Maybe you haven't had him tell you that your rifle (which you had just spent weeks completing and being very proud of) looks like crap, and that this isn't the kind of websight to come looking for "undeserved" compliments.

Still on another thread, he let me know that my handloading experience evidently wouldn't qualify me to be able to provide any usefull input or opinion on the subject for anybody..........because if I wanted be a somebody on this websight, I have to "earn it".

Tim, here is your opportunity to tell me that you don't like my rifle, or that you don't believe I have any skills in the shooting sports. But why would you needlessly insult or hurt people? It's pompous and unnecessary. If you can't say something nice to somebody, then why not just say nothing? The vast majority of the guys on this websight are fine folks. While I've had disagreeances and debate on many occassions with many people, I've never considered blocking them. In the 10 years or so that I have used the internet, I've done this only twice.

Unfortunately, on rare occassion the "ignore" button has its purpose.
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For what it's worth, in my opinion, your rifle and group are great. I just went with a thumbhole stock with my 6mm BR and really like it.

Lou Baccino
 
Larry Elliott said:
Back to the original topic, I've got Redding body dies that have been both larger and smaller in the body then their FL dies. Since an FL die will perform both functions, and I've discovered that FL sized brass shoots just as well as NS I've quit buying both NS and body dies.

In some factory chambers FL sized brass shoots better than NS. Ever noticed how frequently new brass shoots better than fired NS brass? Properly FL sized brass will do the same.
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I concur. I've experienced the same not just with factory chambers, but with custom reamed chambers too. That 20Tac five shot group in the photo is with FL sized, but goes to pot with neck sized. Then I have a factory 22Hornet Anschutz that does better with neck sized only. You never know until you try each rifle.


Lou,
Thanks for the kind words. The only other thing I have since done to that rifle (besides put a Burris Black Diamond 8x-32X scope on it) is to black magic-marker out the white line spacer to bring it more up to date.

I wanted something custom, and had run accross it by chance on Ebay. I couldn't resist the very stable and flat 3" bottom. I completely stripped the stock, rounded some sharp corners, and reapplied stain and finish coat. While a thumbhole stock was initialy new and a bit awkward to me, I adapted to it pretty quick and shoot it just as well as my other rifles.

Luck with your new 6BR rifle. That's an accurate and pleasant round I need to chamber one day.
 
Body die and Wildcats..

The body die has transitioned into a die for custom cartridges like the BRX and Dasher. I have many customers ask me to remove the top end of the Redding 6mmBR die and turn off a little of the bottom. This gives them a die for sizing the web area of a case that has no influence on the rest of the case. This is done when using dies made for one cartridge are used for another cartridge that they were not originally made for. An example the 6mmBR dies use to load 6mmBRX cartridge when one does not have custom dies made.

Nat Lambeth
 
Redding Body Die

VaniB
The Redding Body Die will full length size and push your shoulder back w/o touching the neck, and so will the Redding FL Bushing "S" Die w/o the bushing. However if you neck size with a neck size only die such as the Lee Collet Die or other, then the body die is the way to go as it is $20 cheaper. The Redding Form/Trim Die will also push your shoulder back and not touch the neck w/o sizing any of the body it being made to chamber dimensions (it may very slightly) and is about the same price as the body die.
Your rifle is very nice and so is your shooting.
 
Trim a little off the bottom

Rustystud said:
The body die has transitioned into a die for custom cartridges like the BRX and Dasher. I have many customers ask me to remove the top end of the Redding 6mmBR die and turn off a little of the bottom. This gives them a die for sizing the web area of a case that has no influence on the rest of the case. This is done when using dies made for one cartridge are used for another cartridge that they were not originally made for. An example the 6mmBR dies use to load 6mmBRX cartridge when one does not have custom dies made.

Nat Lambeth
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Nat,
You mentioned that you trim a little off the bottom of the die to size the web area of the case. I've had to trim about .005 off the bottom of Redding small base body dies as well as the regular body die because the die was not sizing the web area. The reamers used on the chambers were all min. spec. and I reasoned that the stock die was a little loose in the web area. At any rate that solved my problem.

Lou Baccino
 
I am partial to using a Wilson bushing neck die and Wilson in line seating die. In this instance the Redding body die is a an economical solution to bump back the cases as they will tighten up after a couple of firings.

Even if a round will still cycle, a round that requires minimal bolt closure helps with accuracy in relation to disturbing the gun in the bags versus one that fits the chamber but requires a bit of oomph to get the bolt all the way home.

I feel the combo of the Wilson's and the body die works great on the pocket book and accuracy, it is my go to set up for 223 and 22-250 loads.

The critical part of using the body die is to get it set correctly. You do not want to set back the shoulder too far, just enough to ease cycling.

I have used the S full size before and like them, but after years of using an arbor press it is hard to break old habits, especially if they usually attain very low concentric runout reloads.

PS - nice rifle.
 
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