PT&G bolt question

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PEI Rob

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PT&G does not offer the mag bolt [or the PPC] with the Rem extractor but I can get it in 223 or 308. Does anyone know if I can recut the face of their 308 bolt and make it a mag bolt, right hand long action. I'm also wondering if they make the rivot hole and if it is in the same location as a 308 bolt.

Cheers,
Rob
 
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Rob,
I ordered a bolt with magnum bolt face from PTG a month ago and was offered the Remington extractor, I went with the M16 extractor but I was lead to believe that it was available with the Rem extractor, you may want to call back and talk to Dave to make sure that what you are being told is correct.

James
 
I believe the only way to get the standard Remington Extractor is with the .223 & .308 bolt face. All magnums are Sako only. That’s the way I understood it when I ordered my first PTG bolt.
 
Remington Extractor

Rob:

The last time I replaced a Remington Factory Extractor it was a spring of sorts. The rivit just keeps it positioned. It is held in by tension due to the fact it is made of spring steel. As for the girls at PT&G they do a fine job dealing with the many different things going on at PT&G. How could you expect for one person other than Dave Kiff from knowing everything about what is going on at PT&G. Some days I think Dave even gets overwhelmed.
Rustystud
 
PEI Rob said:
I place an order then get a call back that they do not offer the mag bolt [or the PPC] with the Rem extractor but I can get it in 223 or 308. I ask if I can rework their 308 bolt into a mag and since the do not sell their bolts WITH the rem extractor installed, do they sell it with the rivot hole already made. The girls didn't know what a rivot hole was and told me the Rem type was a spring type extractor. I've never heard of a spring type Rem extractor.

Regardless, does anyone know if I can recut the face of their 308 bolt and make it a mag bolt, right hand long action.

Cheers,
Rob
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A few years ago, Rem went to a non-rivetted extractor in the 700s but not in the magnum chamberings, I think. The 223 and 308 bolts have been "rivetless" for a number of years. That is probably what the girls are talking about and maybe be the reason that Kiff doesn't offer a bolt with a Magnum Remington extractor.
Early on, I wanted a 300 WSM in a 308 boltface Remington SA. I recut the Rem bolt head to accept a RIVETTED magnum extractor. The dimensions were given to me by Bill Leeper, they can be found by doing a search on these forums.
 
My post was in no way meant to be a criticism of the girls in the least bit and have found them pleasant and quite knowledgeable of their products. I have since edited my original post so it could not be taken out of context, which admittently would have been easy to do. :eek:

Back to the bolt. There were no bolts on the shelves with the Rem type extractors to check to see if they came with the rivot holes already made. Not a big deal but less work for me if they do. The real issuse is the groove, I'm not so sure I can make the cut necessary without a milling machine. The groove appears to be a little more than offset but its hard to tell visually with the extractor present in another mag bolt.
 
PEI Rob said:
Back to the bolt. There were no bolts on the shelves with the Rem type extractors to check to see if they came with the rivot holes already made. Not a big deal but less work for me if they do. The real issuse is the groove, I'm not so sure I can make the cut necessary without a milling machine. The groove appears to be a little more than offset but its hard to tell visually with the extractor present in another mag bolt.
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I don't believe that Kiff offers ANY bolts with rivetted extractors.
I did the cuts with a Bridgeport, holding the bolt in the vertical mode. The cutter was a .125 X .500 keyway cutter that I reduced the thickness to .112 or .115 or something like that. You have to move in 3 directions from being on center, IIRC.
One caution: the rivet is very small, as you know, and they are available from Brownells or you could make them on a lathe. The inside of the bolt, where the rivet fits, is chamfered. If you look at a new extractor, you can see that the area around the extractor has been swadged so that the rivet head fits flush when installed. You must countersink the rivet hole INSIDE the bolt head to allow the extractor to fit into it. Hard to get at and not easy to do. But patience, a bit of skill and Mr. Dremel can overcome many obstacles.
 
Thanks Jay. Not being a smith or even a Rem guy I didn't know about that extractor. While searching for factory and after market replacement parts I didn't come across it, but then again I wasn't looking for it either so maybe it was there all along.

Sleeving a bolt never seemed so good ;)
 
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