Optics: Parallax vs Focus

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Hello,

Returning to the Forum after many years absence.

I have learned that parallax-free objective adjustment is desirable to eliminate aiming errors. However, I find when the objective is adjusted for zero parallax, it does not produce the sharpest optical focus on the target: If I adjust the objective for sharpest focus, there remains significant parallax. If I adjust for zero parallax, the target is somewhat out of focus.

Does this indicate I need to find a different corrective prescription for my eyeglasses? Or does it indicate a problem with the scope?

Brian
 
Brian,

Just to eliminate the "obvious" have you adjusted the focus on the eyepiece at the rear of the scope? It might also help if you tell us what scope you're asking about!

Dennis
 
Brian,

Just to eliminate the "obvious" have you adjusted the focus on the eyepiece at the rear of the scope? It might also help if you tell us what scope you're asking about!

Dennis

Dennis,

The ocular adjustment is to focus the reticle, not the target, according to every scope manual I own. Is this not the case?

The scope in question is a Bushnell Elite 4200s 4-16x40 SF, but I have noticed this with a variety of older Leupolds and other scopes as well. It's a bit more apparent with this 4200 because the optics are better than my older scopes', so the target focus is more definitive.

Brian
 
Dennis,

You are onto it - the reticle needs to be truly in focus first. I have removed parallax (i.e. focused the target on the second focal plane) but I have not focused the ocular on the second focal plane (where the reticle is located.)

Thanks.

Brian

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Unfortunately, with my aging eyes I may not be able to get the reticle (second focal plane) in focus using the ocular adjustment (read this elsewhere on shooting forums.) I may have to get a special prescription for that. The ocular is tryng to focus on the second focal plane about six inches in front of my eye, and the ocular may not have enough focal range to accommodate my eye. Apparently this is a common problem for older shooters.
 
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Perscription correction

One of the tasks we performed regularly when I was in the optics lab was to identify the thread size and pitch on the ocular of the scopes that came in. Then grind a prescription lens and mount it in a ring to attach to the scope. The real fun and games came into play when we had to make back vertex corrections for the greater distance the lens would be from the shooters eye when compared with the same script worn as spectacles.

Then there were those shooters who had 3 and 4 diopter astigmatisms where the toric axis was important. If the shooter was in the habit of leaning their head when shooting the axis would be off even though it tested correctly. It often took several attempts to sort all the variables.
Andy.
 
The usual instructions regarding scope eyepiece adjustment are not designed to explain all the subtleties that may be involved in a particular situation. The problem that you describe can be something as simple as the eyepiece not being focused in the exact plane of the reticule, and the solution is as I described in my PM to you. Don't make this any harder than it has to be. Try the obvious, simple, free things first. I have done it at least a dozen times, and the one time that I could not fix the problem, a trip to the manufacturer cured it. All of the scopes ended up with zero parallax and peak target sharpness at the same point of adjustment.
 
The problem that you describe can be something as simple as the eyepiece not being focused in the exact plane of the reticule, and the solution is as I described in my PM to you.

Would you post the PM for the benefit of the rest of us? :)
 
Would you post the PM for the benefit of the rest of us? :)

Yeahhh, or I shall be FORCED to post the other article........ and you wouldn't like that now...... wouldja'! :)





If Boyd graces us, LISSEN! The dude gets this stuff, and remembers it



like I don't




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OK, on my first cup of coffee, against my better judgment...

If you do not have the sharpest target image that your scope can be adjusted for, and zero parallax at the same point of objective or side focus adjustment, it is very likely that your eyepiece is ever so slightly out of adjustment. That is it in a nutshell. The first question that comes up from this is sort of a how can this be, or the stronger you don't know what you are talking about, the eyepiece adjustment is only to focus the reticule, and has nothing to do with parallax, and it says so right in the instructions. To that I reply, that those instructions were developed for deer hunters with 3 x9 scopes. Get real, most shooters can't even correctly tell you what parallax is, and are surprised when you tell them not to rely on the distance markings on their objective adjustment.

The root of the problem is that shooters stare at the reticule for an extended period of time while attempting to correctly focus the eyepiece, and their eyes make the final adjustment instead of their seeing a discrepancy that needs further adjustment.

The proper method involves repeated brief glances that do not give you eye time to adjust. You can stand right by someone, tell them this, and he will nod his head, and look through the scope 10-20 seconds at a time, apparently thinking that you are not being literal when you tell him to only look for a second. In any case, the end result is an eyepiece that is focused slightly out of the plane of the reticule.

Last item, how do we fix that? Make a small eyepiece adjustment, either in or out, and refocus the objective (or side focus), and then check for parallax. Has it been reduced, or made worse? If it has been reduced you are going in the right direction and just need to continue making very small adjustments, refocusing, and checking until you have peak target sharpness, and absolutely no parallax at the same point of adjustment. If it is worse after the first try, you either made too big a move in the right direction, or you went the wrong way, and need to make your next effort in the other direction. Once you have the eyepiece properly focused, you are good to go at any distance. Just adjust for your sharpest target image.

There can be slight dependencies due to expansion and contraction of metal, caused by temperature change, so if you are doing serious benchrest work, it is not a bad idea to check for parallax first thing in the morning, before the heat waves make seeing slight amounts impossible.

Another little, unrelated scope matter...in hot weather, if you installed your scope in the comfort of air conditioning, you may want to loosen and tighten one ring cap, after things have heated up, to relieve the stress of the scope tube getting longer due to the heat. This is best done when you have a bench and rest available so that you can do the slight resighting that is likely to be required afterward.

There you go. Now to my second cup.
 
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Here is the question I have: how are you adjusting the parallax?

I find that where the image is clearest is always the place where parallax is free. Do not take the yardage numbers on the parallax adjustment as gospel,(Or even trust them for that matter.) I have yet to see a scope that they are right. When adjusting parallax, the idea is to move your head around and when you get a clear picture, where the scope crosshairs don't more, and the target doesn't move, then your parallax free. Every scope I have ever owned or shot from the numbers will be off from where true parallax free is at. (This includes better to high end scopes such as Leupold, Weaver, Night force, ETC) So with that said don't pay any attention to the parallax yardage numbers on the scope.
 
If you are asking me, I adjust by checking by moving my head, and disregard the numbers. If you get no parallax and peak target sharpness on all of your scopes, it means that you are very good at properly adjusting your eyepieces the first time that you do it. Good for you. This is not the universal situation. Many shooters have no idea of how to properly do it.
 
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If you are asking me, I adjust by checking by moving my head, and disregard the numbers. If you get no parallax and peak target sharpness on all of your scopes, it means that you are very good at properly adjusting your eyepieces the first time that you do it. Good for you. This is not the universal situation. Many shooters have no idea of how to properly do it.

Actually I was asking the OP. I think this is what his problem is.
 
Your reticle focus changes with your eyesight and astigmatism can't be corrected with the scope. Cheaper scopes with side focus parallax isn't a constant either along with other problems.
 
Superb information here...about as good as it gets. I've fond it's gotten more difficult for older eyes to discern just when the reticule is sharp by turning the adjustment on the eye piece. Looking toward a blue sky and trying to adjust for the sharpest/darkest image of the reticule is something I still need to work on. I can tell little difference in going back and forth with the adjustment.
 
Unertl used to instruct putting a clean white handkerchief over the objective while pointing the scope at a clear sky to adjust the reticle focus on the ocular (eyepiece).
 
I've been shooting 22 rim fire benchrest @ 60' indoors @ bottlecaps, one shot at a time for one relay and my Lyman Supertargetspot parallax is about one and one- half turns away from where it should be on the calibrated objective. Unertl and other scope manufacturers always stated that the calibrated scale was a guide and to find it yourself.
 
What Boyd said about moving your eye (at right angles) and adjusting the parallax until the reticle stays constant w/o bending is the best way to adjust parallax. I'd be leary about the target being the clearest picture w/o checking to see if the reticle is bending.
 
Dan you are right about old eyes! I have an Astigmatism and it makes me crazy with cross hairs cause the horizontal cross hair is double! I don't have that with my NightForce with the double dot. And I find it harder to get my scopes were I want them.

Joe Salt
 
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