New Eley - I didn't know it was coming

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Bob Collins

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It's interesting this just came in.
Bob
LOT# VELOCITY QUANTITY (BOXES)
A01100 MATCH


01075 1067 474
01254 1075 516
01255 1074 570
02005 1076 440
03022 1071 580
03348* 1053 340
03350* 1054 599
03352* 1056 496
04242* 1055 21
04243* 1054 11
04354* 1060 527
05069* 1059 492
05244* 1052 4
05249* 1057 337


LOT# VELOCITY QUANTITY (BOXES)
A00100 TENEX

01086 1071 290
01113 1072 622
02035 1072 619
02040 1069 297
03114 1074 650
03180 1059 200

04092 1067 280
04121 1076 551
 
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Bob,
I have a question. When you receive a shipment that you didn't expect.......why isn't the lot numbers and availability with even case numbers or even brick numbers? That would be an even 100 boxes, 50 boxes, 25 boxes, 10 boxes, 500 boxes, etc.. Do they shrink wrap the single ones to keep the elements out? Also, is the asterisk a sign of a reserved lot for you? If so how do you reserve a lot that you didn't know was coming? It's just a dumb set of questions but it has intrigued and beguiled me that those ammo suppliers that post on this site have un-even numbers on their lists of newly available ammo.

Carp
 
Carp said:
Bob,
I have a question. When you receive a shipment that you didn't expect.......why isn't the lot numbers and availability with even case numbers or even brick numbers? That would be an even 100 boxes, 50 boxes, 25 boxes, 10 boxes, 500 boxes, etc.. Do they shrink wrap the single ones to keep the elements out? Also, is the asterisk a sign of a reserved lot for you? If so how do you reserve a lot that you didn't know was coming? It's just a dumb set of questions but it has intrigued and beguiled me that those ammo suppliers that post on this site have un-even numbers on their lists of newly available ammo.

Carp
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Very good question. Wonder why you didn't get an answer. I would like to know also.
 
leaving for a shoot so cannot take the time to explain

1. in canada we got the lapua master X lot for a while as the finnish or swedish team did not have enough of that ammo to satisfy their needs for the OH limp ICS so we had some great stuff and did not know it (off the exacta machines when setting up)

I bought all of it and have 100g rounds

so when a person says they did not know it was coming their are a lotr of factors at play

a. cancellations of lot numbers for teams or countries
b. special deals if you take the last of a run or overerage
c. extras to fill up a contaner or to the limit of your permit or dangerous goods levels
d. price jumps so take the extra shipment,

and yes even some dealers have an open contract for extras and are not told when extras are shipped, 150th anniversary annies 1710 HB ss barrel I got 4 at the end of the run and was supposed to be shipped 1


so maybe BOB was just being honest or nice in telling the nice surprise that he got

away camping now

Jefferson
 
Carp said:
Bob,
I have a question. When you receive a shipment that you didn't expect.......why isn't the lot numbers and availability with even case numbers or even brick numbers? That would be an even 100 boxes, 50 boxes, 25 boxes, 10 boxes, 500 boxes, etc.. Do they shrink wrap the single ones to keep the elements out? Also, is the asterisk a sign of a reserved lot for you? If so how do you reserve a lot that you didn't know was coming? It's just a dumb set of questions but it has intrigued and beguiled me that those ammo suppliers that post on this site have un-even numbers on their lists of newly available ammo.

Carp
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thats easy to answer. say im an importer and i get 100K round of match ammo in. i'm going to test every lot to see which shoots best for me. at that time i will "buy" as much of it as i can. then i would call my best buddies and do the same for them. then the general public gets to wade through the rest hoping that something good slips though and that they can mortgage thier house fast enough to buy it. heck Euro shooters have been cherry picking the Eley and Lapua for years. dont think it goes on in the US by the ammo importers???? yea right.
 
nemohunter said:
thats easy to answer. say im an importer and i get 100K round of match ammo in. i'm going to test every lot to see which shoots best for me. at that time i will "buy" as much of it as i can. then i would call my best buddies and do the same for them. then the general public gets to wade through the rest hoping that something good slips though and that they can mortgage thier house fast enough to buy it. heck Euro shooters have been cherry picking the Eley and Lapua for years. dont think it goes on in the US by the ammo importers???? yea right.
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Gee, I wonder where all those 250's come from? must be flukes I guess. Easier to be a keyboard conspiricy theorist. Amazing that Gene Davis, Dan Killough, Charlie Peters, and others get by selling "left overs".
 
I'll say this from my personal experience. Bob is very fair with the ammo. I made request and inquiries about ammo from Bob and he has always been up front with me. He has held ammo for me that I have shown interest in although he could have easily sold it to a better shooter. He has put me down as "first refusal" in case somebody had selected a lot and then backed out and, on occasion, I have received the ammo. I think what you see is what you get (if you get there fast enough) and there is no ammo conspiracy. If you're a shooter who has several contacts that are testing when you are, the best lots show through pretty quickly and they get gone. That's not Bob's fault; that the business he's in.
 
Often wondered

Why is it that when I need ammo, Eley quits making the speed my gun likes best.? Now I guess I have to spend hundreds more testing what available.
 
Mr. Collins I sent you an email about your thoughts on a good lot for my new to me Winchester 52E. Donald
 
tim said:
Gee, I wonder where all those 250's come from? must be flukes I guess. Easier to be a keyboard conspiricy theorist. Amazing that Gene Davis, Dan Killough, Charlie Peters, and others get by selling "left overs".
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ive shot with Charlie Peters. all i said is they test before we do. we get what thier guns dont like. can you honestly tell me you would not do the same???? i know i would. if youve shot much rimfire of any kind you know they are all ammo picky. Dan Killough is a seller as well. i shot with some of the best no often as my wallet can only take so much fun but i do enjoy it. i'll never know how good that stuff shoots since 1 i dont shoot eley. 2 i draw the line at $10 a box.
 
i've shot with charlie peters
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i've shot with charlie peters TOO....but that gang he runs with iz into toga
parties and dancers of the lap:D
 
Charlie Peters?????

I think y'all mean Charlie Scott. He sells Lapua.
 
Picked over by sellers

May be surprised but I don't think that it gets picked over, tested by the sellers, as much as some may think. I get mine from Dan K. and he's a very busy man running his shooting business/PSL, medical practice and family.
He knows what his rifles have shot good in the past and maybe he trys to make sure that he holds some of it to test, but the best I can tell once he gets his list of what's available he gets his mailing list out and it's a free for all to the masses. A couple of things to think about, you have shooters who have held their own year after year for a long time. Do they get the best ammo over and over, I don't think so. Does ammo make a difference, even in my short time in this game, I'm totally convinced, no I know it does, but I wonder sometime if a rifle can't be tuned into some ammo. My point, last year, and note it was my first year shooting, I was learning the ropes, reading wind and all the other things that go along with this crazy game. I'd purchased some different lots of ammo and found one that worked pretty good, at least for a new comer. Was I winning, heck no, but not coming in last either and seeing improvements, getting some decent target scores etc.... Anyway, I actually win a match with it. I have a small amount left and I decide to stick it away for the Texas State Tournament, ARA, at the end of the year and go with some other stuff I have. So for the next couple of months it's miserable. I'm sitting in my office one day before a match and go after my rifle and make some major changes to it. That night I shoot good and I'm back in the saddle again. OK now the following week is the state tournament and here's my situation. There's a 6 target match first day and then state the next day. So my game plan is to shoot the stuff I had tune the rifle into the first day and then shoot the saved stuff the next day. Long story short the long saved stuff I couldn't get it to work and the stuff that was shooting good did, but didn't have enough for both days. When I used it I had very good targets, but when not I dropped a couple of hundred points. I'm in the same boat again, well not as bad, but I'm hoarding 3 brinks of some stuff that's shot very well for me for tournaments and using other stuff that's ok, at least I'm not loosing 100's of points with it. I will say this, If I ever do get something that is working great and I can get my hands on it I'll make sure I take as many cases of it I can afford.

Les
 
Good Reason

Les:
That's the best reason yet for not buy more than you can afford. Barrels change their appetite after a couple of bricks. I've got six different lots my Winchester liked when testing. Guess what?
 
Oh my Goodness, what am I in for? Fred you have completely ruined my day!

I just went through ammo testing on a new rifle/barrel. Once the barrel was seasoned I ordered 2 boxes each in 8 lots of black box and 7 lots of red to see what the rifle liked. After a few days of 6 AM and 10PM shooting (calm here some days at those times) I narrowed it down to 3 different lots that shot very well compared to the others and to my control ammo (a specific lot of Midas+). So I ordered three cases of the second best lot since my "best" lot was already sold out. Now you tell me after a brick or so the rest of my stash might be only so so?

I'm kind of a newbie at this ammo testing business, my eyes were really opened by the different performance of different lots and I thought I was on the right track.......oh well maybe I'll be donating to the cause and paying my dues for a while longer till I get it figured out. I'm gonna put that rifle and ammo away until the next PSL. Maybe it won't change its mind about what it likes until after the match. Hope springs eternal.

Happy Independence Day all. Enjoy it. Next year we might be celebrating Dependence Day instead. bob finger
 
Easy does it.

It was more or less a joke. You can always depend on that ammo to preform exactly the same every single time you go to the bench for a match. Now Practice and Testing, that's different. The biggest problem is getting match conditions to be the same as Practice and Testing conditions. I was once told, buy all you can afford, and if it don't work for you, sell it for what you paid for it.
 
Knowing Fred

I figured he was pulling on our chains with that one. Getting to shoot with him and a few others that have been at this game a long time I pick up a few things. I don't ask a lot of questions but there's a reason for I do believe you can learn a lot just from observing.

Les
 
Don't cry for me guys. I recognized the humor in Fred's comment. Besides three cases will likely last a lot longer than the time I will own the rifle. Now that we have a new $$$ high end my Myers Suhl should be worth at least three times what I paid for it. And I might win the 40X raffle. CU in St.Louis! bob finger
 
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