Need HELP from my Elders/Betters!! Tracking History of Eric Johnson Straight Pull

404tbang

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Howdy! I am trying to track the history of an Eric Johnson straight pull rifle. According to his shop records it was apparently sold in 1933.

The man who bought it was named Woolsey M Caye. He died in 1942. He apparently shot some at Camp Perry. I would think that the handfull of straight pulls that Johnson made would have initially been sold to highly competitive shooters so as to help advertise the quality and accuracy of his rifles. I know nothing about Mr. Caye, or how Eric sold the rifle to him. I talked to Carl Johnson, Eric's son, he was unfamiliar with the name.

I have been trying to learn all I can about the rifle, and Eric Johnson for the last couple of years, since I bought the gun. I bought a Rem 37 with a Johnson barrel and Canjar 2 oz. trigger. The man made amazing stuff!

Please help with any info possible about Mr. Caye and Eric Johnson!
Thank you in advance!
Greg
 
still need help

o.k. apparently I'm not gonna get anyone that knows who Woolsey Caye was, but anyone that can give me any info at all about ERIC JOHNSON, it would be very appreciated. I have dug up as many posts on him in here as I can. Just looking to learn as much as possible.
Thanks!
Greg
 
o.k. apparently I'm not gonna get anyone that knows who Woolsey Caye was, but anyone that can give me any info at all about ERIC JOHNSON, it would be very appreciated. I

Greg,

Use the search function here, type in Eric Johnson & check thru the matches for the postings that might have relevance. I found one or two that will give you a little information.

John
 
Eric Johnson Straight Pull serial #1

Thanks John! I have looked at everything here and a couple of other sites too! I might pm Mr. 40ezxs because he apparently had Johnson rebarrel some of his rifles.

The Straight Pull rifles are of particular interest to me, I own serial #1. This may be the rifle pictured in the March 1947 American Rifleman in an article entitled "Lock, stock, and barrel". The story is about Eric Johnson, and later, about Eric and Ray Morgan building the famous Morgan-Johnson target rifles. There is an older for the time photo of Johnson prone with a rifle. Under it, the caption states that he was the 1929 smallbore prone champion at Camp Perry using one of his own barrels. That rifle in the picture IS A STRAIGHT PULL!

There were 5 Straight Pulls that were sold, and a protoype made a total of 6. The prototype was kept by Johnson until he passed, as I understand it. Carl Johnson, Eric's son, who also was named in the article as being an outstanding target shot, was only about 3 years old or so when the straight pulls were sold. Carl sold his dad's shop equipment to someone several years ago. He gave me the man's name and number and said call him. He has a copy of the shop records too.

I called him. Interesting guy and very interesting conversation. When he got to "I have Eric Johnson straight pull serial #1", I was dumbfounded. I said, "You better grab a seat buddy, because I too, have Eric Johnson straight pull serial #1"! "WHHHAAAAT?":eek: He replied.

Much conversation, comparing notes and rifles ensued. His was the prototype, was never polished and blued, and had a later barrel because
Eric kept it through the years. It had not had the reciever drilled and tapped for iron sights. Mine was indeed, also serial #1. It was the first one sold, to Woolsey M. Caye of Louisville, Ky in 1933. In the American Rifleman article, the rifle pictured has a scope, and also the iron sights on the front of the barrel. I still PRESUME that it is the rifle standing in the corner 10 feet from me.

It seemed to me, and everyone I talked to, both novice and expert, that he would have kept serial #1 for himself. Well, indeed he did! My best guess would have been that he would have shot the first FINISHED, ie. polished and blued, rifle enough to get some exposure for it and it's capabilities so as to create a market for it. Then presumably would have tried to steer the first ones in the hands of exeptional shooters for further publicity.

Serial #3 was owned by Vere Hamer. He was initially credited with winning the 1938 Camp Perry smallbore prone championship. As the story goes, he was a very careful wind doper, and had not fired his final shot. He told the officials he couldn't accept the win as he had not fired the last shot. Character such as that is in great need today!

Serial #3, again in the hands of Vere Hamer, DID WIN the 1939 National Championship at Camp Perry. Kinda seems Providential, as if it were a reward from above for doing the right thing the year before, doesn't it?

These were capable rifles. Vere's nephew said that Johnson did not make anymore Straight Pulls as it would not be possible to compete with Winchester and later, Remington on volume or pricing. But accuracy? At least Vere was able to make the design competitive, and victorious! I am still wanting to know if anyone other than Vere Hamer took these rifles very far.

Again, any info about Eric Johnson and his work would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Greg
 
Johnson

Greg,

Johnson had a great reputation from the late 20s to the 60s for his barrels and smithing work.

He also bulit Mason Kline's rifle which he used to win the 1951 National Smallbore Championship when it wa shot in California.

Hap
 
Eric Johnson

Also, at that time the greatest shooting every the 1952,OR&PA,Camp Perry Matches. Pete Ronconvich (Sp) North East PA shot a 3200 Agg of 3198 With a boatload of X's.This was the finest shooting for a few years.
Also Villoa Pollum National Championship 1955,Camp Perry.
Eric made some just outstanding barrels.
:)
 
Also I would like to add a note slightly off topic. I had a friend pass away who had some expensive, unusual rifles. His family quickly sold it all for a song. Apparently they had no idea what they had. So for those of you that might have guns such as these Eric Johnson guns make sure its documented and your family knows what you have.
 
Education

I just don't know wher a guy can get this kind of education and not pay one red cent for it. I am so thankfull I found this site.

Thank each and everyone of you.


Semper fi
pickles
 
Eric Johnson

I have photos of Eric at Perry 52 & 53. AT that time he was shooting a Morgan. He also was know to shoot Ballards.
One of the finest looking prone rifles I ever saw was an Audette/Johnson,Ballard.
The 52 Photo one is Eric winning the "Bent Barrel Bucket" at Perry.
A Bucket which Remington & Winchester,made up for Eric.
That age is gone. :)
 
German Salazar, Hap Rocketto, 40ezxs, and everyone

Will try to get my teenage son to post some pictures in the next couple of days. German, in the American Rifleman photo, notice that the breech is open, but there is no bolt handle sticking up. The bolt looks like a normal bolt, comes out and points down. However, when the breech is open the bolt still points down. To open it, put your thumb on the top of the bolt before it starts to point down, and your fingers near the ball at the end of the bolt. Simply pull your fingers back about a quarter of an inch or so while pivoting off of your thumb, it opens right up. After you get used to it, it is absolutely ingenious.

German, I am left handed too, I can shoulder the rifle, and reach under the bottom of it and cycle the bolt.

Hap, thank you for the help on the phone, I will be in touch soon.

40ezxs, if I recall correctly, I think it was you that named a son after Eric Johnson. Please share any information about him that you can. Too many people are unaware of what those who came before us could do!

I also have a Remington 37 Eric built for Charlie Whipple. (Thanks for the info Hap!) Have not shot it but once on a still evening. It shoots under a quarter inch at 50 yards. Best group was .11 with Eley practice. I'm not that good of a shot, have much to learn about doping wind, but as I understand it, you can buy good rifles that shoot worse than that!

Thanks to all who are helping with info on Eric, please keep it coming!
Thanks!
Greg
 
Son Eric

Yes I did.
Charlie Whipple,Somerset PA,the first to shot 400X40,back to back New Phila Ohio 50 Y & 50 M. He was so good.
 
40ezxs

I talked to Carl Johnson, Eric's son, 2 years ago after I bought the Straight Pull. I had been browsing around this site, I think, when I found the statement about you naming your son after Eric Johnson. I told Carl about it, he was very pleased to hear that!

Do you know when Charlie Whipple shot the back to back 400x40s? The Remington 37 that I have that belonged to him, had been rebarreled by Eric Johnson in Feb. 1948. You can read the date in the bedding compound. The rifle had been rebarreled in the 50's. Don't know when, as the barrel was cut and rechambered by Eric in 1962. In the process, the last digit for the year in the 50's was cut off.

It was interesting to figure out that Eric had twice put a barrel on the same rifle. (Thanks again, Hap Rocketto!)
The shooter must have had a lot of faith in the quality of the barrel and the gunsmith.:)

Did Charlie Whipple primarily shoot with a Remington 37? If so, could this be the rifle he did the 400x40s with? When did he stop competing? I bought this rifle in an estate auction in april or may of last year, and was told that it came from a Pennsylvania estate. When did Mr. Whipple pass away?

When Eric put a barrel on a rifle, did he clean up the action to insure everything was properly squared up so that it shot as good as possible?

The one evening I got to take it out, I described earlier in this thread, that rifle is amazing! I am 43. People today seem to always think newer is better, that technology today renders everything obsolete. HOGWASH! I was raised to listen to my elders. Those who are older, and I say that with respect, have experienced much, and have much to offer to those who will listen. Some of these older rifles are shockingly accurate. They have stories to tell, I want to help them get told!

Please, keep this wonderful information coming!
Thanks!
Greg
 
400x40,400x40

I'm thinking 1st week end June 55.I was shooting beside him.
Now that Rem 37, for Charlie?
Charlie worked for Winchester Western for a period of time.The 400X40's were shot with a 52B.The W-W people deleivered fresh EZXS ammo to New Phila for Charlie to shoot.The 1st match I had a 400X38,thought I had it won,I came in second to a 400X40+120.
 
40ezxs

Sir, people like YOU are why I love coming here! I ask when Charlie Whipple shot back to back 400x40s, and the next day I get an answer. Not from a book, or a magazine, nope the answer comes from the man shooting next to him when he did it! Getting to hear (read) this information from someone who has been there, done that, is very valuable! Thank you!

To get beat after shooting a 400x38?? Ouch!! But still, you were on fire that day too!

I knew that Charlie had worked for Winchester, but I do not know the extent of it. Clearly the powers at Winchester would have wanted him to shoot a 52 as opposed to a Rem 37. If I remember correctly, Hap Rocketto wrote something about Charlie taking the Winchester job in 1948. I called Hap this past Saturday. He looked the info up in Eric's shop records. Eric sent Charlie's Remington 37 to him in Feb 1948 to an address in Greensburg, Pa.
Could this have been right before Charlie took the job at Winchester?

I could not not remember the number of the barrel currently on the rifle. I assumed (I know!) something that shoots THAT good would not be sold. But Eric put that barrel on too. I guess this means that I gotta take it apart to get the number, and call Hap Rocketto to pester him for more info:D! Maybe the gun had been sold after Charlie started working at Winchester. Maybe Charlie put it in the back of the safe and saved it for the day he wanted to shoot a REALLY REALLY good rifle:cool:!

Did Charlie's 52, by any chance, have a Johnson barrel on it?
40ezxs, what were you shooting, then? Was it one that Eric had worked on?
Thank you!
Greg
 
Answers,....on Friday

Charlie Whipple was the first shooter I knew to "use" a muzzle tuner"....on a 52B Tool Room,model rifle.
I was 18 when this all took place.Charlie and I would talk because once in a while I would beat him in a fired match.
My rifle a Benny Action,Creston Ohio,Smith Benny Saunderhaus.Over time it had two Johnson Barrels....installed by Benny.:):)
 
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40ezxs

I recieved a packet of info from Hap Rocketto friday, lots of interesting Eric Johnson stuff. One copy of a photo from Camp Perry dated 1939 showed Eric holding a rifle that sort of looks like a straight pull. The picture is a copy of a picture that has been copied enough to not give enough detail. Does anyone know how long he shot a straight pull in competition? I know he kept the prototype till he died.

Hap sent a copy of the page from Eric's logs showing the info on Charlie Whipple's Remington 37. I'm still going with the idea that Charlie put the Rem 37 in the back of the safe to save it for the day he wanted to shoot a REALLY REALLY good rifle!:D

Interesting about a muzzle tuner on a 52B tool room rifle. The Johnson barrel on the Rem 37 has some blueing missing all the way around the barrel that is an inch or two long, off the top of my head, that makes it look like something had definitely been around the barrel. What did the tuner on Charlies 52 look like? Could he have used one on a 37?

I hope you still have the Benny rifle. I have talked to a couple of people over the last 2 years that mentioned them. Has to be interesting! Did you get the barrels from Al Freeland or from Eric?

Would Charlie Whipple have shot a Winchester 52 with an Eric Johnson barrel on it?

Anyone with more info on Eric, I would be very thankful if you could share it!

Still trying to catch my teenage son with enough time to post the pictures of the Straight Pull. I hate being computer stupid!
Thank you,
Greg
 
Eric Johnson

Charlies 52B had a barrel with the Winchester stamp on it.
Benny got his Johnson Barrels from Eric.about a half dozen at a time. No I sold the Benny,as it wasn't the Benny I reallly shot.It had a Clyde Hart Barrel on it.Plus a new stock. I have photos.
The Douglas buttoned barrels really stopped every one.They were very good.
:)
 
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