my new rifle and shooting improvment

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maybe some of you can help with my shooting. i have determined my rifle likes ely pistol. i have no idea what the rifle was designed for but out of 6 differnt brands this is what i have come up with.

my jewell trigger is in not in the rifle but will be soon. i am using a weaver t-36 scope. i am using ara targets at 50 yards off a cheap rest soon to be resolved when my pappas arrives.

i shot very well yesterday but i have some bad eye problems i came up with a hint off rimfire central by putting black tape on my right single vision lens with a hole punched in it. this has helped a lot!

i seem to be drifting shots and wonder if someone can tell me what i need to do. for explanation i may hit dead center on one target and the next shot may be 1 in off any direction. this is real frustrating.

can some of you good shooters tell me from the basics where you start such as are you locking your rilfe in the rest or are you free recoil. don stith has a way of shooting i cant get to work but apparently it works for him.

any and all help appreciated you can even p/m me if you like.

thanks

bob
 
Bob,

Since none of the good shooters have answered yet, I'll offer a couple suggestions. Are you using powder on your bags and wind flags? Settle your rifle into the bags ans slide it back and forth. It should return to POA every time you slide it forward to the stop. If it doesn't return to POA adjust things until it does. Try not to disturb the rifle when ejecting and reloading. Move to next bull and check alignment by sliding back and forth a couple times to make sure it comes back to POA. If you use some shoulder, keep the same pressure on the stock from shot to shot to maintain consistant recoil. Same with trigger hand pressure/hold.

Good luck,

Ken

Edit, Charlie beat me while I was typing. Please don't assume he is not a good shooter.:)
 
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well i certaily was windy yesterday. i guess ill wait for a calm day to shoot. how did you shoot in the rain and wind sat. most of my shots were on target i just seem to be erratic.

i forgot to mention i did sork on my breating which i didnt know about but found out by more reading. i also notice i am seeing my heartbeat in the scope also.

bob
 
Bob,

If you're seeing your heartbeat, you're holding the rifle way to tight, relax a little. This is supposed to be fun. No need to wait for a clam day. You can't learn to shoot in the wind on a calm day.

Ken
 
hey

well thanks i would have never figured that out. i just thought it was the power of the scope. i bet thats enough then to cause problems.

thank you

bob
 
Yes Ken, my feelings were hurt, I just assumed you started drinking whatever half the crowd seems to be drinking on this forum lately.

Seriously, no damaged done, don't fret.

I agree with Ken, but I do know it was really windy. Whey you want to learn the wind that is great, when you are confident in your ammo and your rifle then you have to learn to shoot in the wind....you will need wind flags.

For now I would test on calmer days. You get that Pappas rest also it takes more variables out of the works.

1. Make sure you don't have any loose parts on the rifle, scope, action screws and such.

2. Put your rifle in the Pappas rest and make sure the top is tightened down.

3. Make sure you are on a steady bench. You would be suprised how much some of the benches will move if you put a little pressure on them or lean on them. When I go to a new range that is the first thing I check....how careful I have to be leaning on the bench or if I have to stay off of it.

4. Make sure the parallex is adjusted out of the scope....the clearest picture should be but isn't ALWAYS parallex free. With the rifle pointed at a specific spot on the target move your head around without moving the rifle, do the crosshairs stay put? Adjust the parallex until they do.

5. Temperature, many of these rifles that shoot great during normal temperatures may not act like the same rifle at lower tempertures and you may not get great performance at temperatures at 50 or below, all rifles are different.

If all of these things are taken care good, you can shoot with your pappas rest without touching the rifle, only the trigger. Once you make a shot you should be able to push the rifle back up against the front stop on the rest and the crosshairs should go right back to where they were before you made the shot.

You have to make sure that all of the above are good to go before you can start fairly evaluating a rifle or ammo.

OOPS, forgot one other thing.....make sure your target backer is not moving in the wind.

Good Luck,
Charlie
 
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charlie
i have a good stand 4x4 in concrete in the ground. im thinking that heart beat thing may be a biggee. never imagined that one. its so windy today no way will i go out and fool around.

but i can put the rifle on my dining room table and look out at my targets so i may do that this afternoon. ive been waiting for my pappas to show up im excited about that thing.

mr stith the big winner says he anchors everything. sights through the scope takes his head off and then uses his left hand to fire away. he has nothing on the rilfe is this the way you do it?

this just seems so strange to me i tried it but not much luck but im learing each and every day. i am going down to the shop to put my new jewell trigger in now.

bob
 
Once it is loaded, all I touch is the trigger. Just wait till you get your rest.....it will all become obvious.
Charlie
 
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie....

cpeters said:
Yes Ken, my feelings were hurt, I just assumed you started drinking whatever half the crowd seems to be drinking on this forum lately.

Seriously, no damaged done, don't fret.

I agree with Ken, but I do know it was really windy. Whey you want to learn the wind that is great, when you are confident in your ammo and your rifle then you have to learn to shoot in the wind....you will need wind flags.

For now I would test on calmer days. You get that Pappas rest also it takes more variables out of the works.

1. Make sure you don't have any loose parts on the rifle, scope, action screws and such.

2. Put your rifle in the Pappas rest and make sure the top is tightened down.

3. Make sure you are on a steady bench. You would be suprised how much some of the benches will move if you put a little pressure on them or lean on them. When I go to a new range that is the first thing I check....how careful I have to be leaning on the bench or if I have to stay off of it.

4. Make sure the parallex is adjusted out of the scope....the clearest picture should be but isn't ALWAYS parallex free. With the rifle pointed at a specific spot on the target move your head around without moving the rifle, do the crosshairs stay put? Adjust the parallex until they do.

5. Temperature, many of these rifles that shoot great during normal temperatures may not act like the same rifle at lower tempertures and you may not get great performance at temperatures at 50 or below, all rifles are different.

If all of these things are taken care good, you can shoot with your pappas rest without touching the rifle, only the trigger. Once you make a shot you should be able to push the rifle back up against the front stop on the rest and the crosshairs should go right back to where they were before you made the shot.

You have to make sure that all of the above are good to go before you can start fairly evaluating a rifle or ammo.

OOPS, forgot one other thing.....make sure your target backer is not moving in the wind.

Good Luck,
Charlie
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Sorry to hear about your shooting reputation taking a nosedive. I'm glad someone else told you. Me, Dennis, Brain and Joe were going to draw straws to see who was going to tell you the bad news. Well, got to go.
 
Pappas

Oh, I been meaning to tell you....all of those parts fell off of my rest again.

Charlie
 
An inch off

If your shots are a complete inch off with regularity you may have an equipment/ammo problem. Take the time to attend a match and get help. Driving to a match is not the only way but you need to shoot a rifle with "known" performance and also have someone else shoot your rifle. That will save you so very much grief.
 
Hey cwop

Since you've helped us all so much I'm going to tell you the secret of rimfire benchrest shooting. LUCK thats right LUCK!!
First: you need to be lucky enough to get a killer rifle
Second: you need to be lucky enough to get a good rest
Third: you need to be lucky enough to get a good set of windflag
Fourth: you need to be lucky enough to be blessed with good eyesight
Fifth: you need to be lucky enough to have a steady hand
Sixth: you need to be lucky enough to have an even temperment
Seventh: you need to be lucky enough to be able to buy a vehicle large enough to carry you and all your stuff to matches.
Eighth: (and most important) you need to be lucky enough to find a lot of ammo that will shoot through the cold,heat,rain and WIND.

Once you have the above listed you will be a world champion.
Good luck with your endevors. Fred (You see it is all LUCK)

P.S. If you ever come up with number eight please advise me of the lot number before its all gone. I promise not to tell anyone.
 
Fred, you forgot a couple:

9) You need to be lucky enough to have the right matching (colored) shoes.

10) You need to be lucky with your tuner if your not using a pappas slider you might get lucky by just spinning the tuner in any direction. This hopefully will make you lucky with No. 8 on Fred's list.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Joe
 
There is luck and then there is real LUCK

1st: you need to be lucky enough to get a killer rifle, or just borrow one.
2nd: you need to be lucky enough to get a good rest, I like a Farley
3rd: you need to be lucky enough to get a good set of windflags, I used BRT, sometimes called Aussie Flags.
4th: you need to be lucky enough to be blessed with good eyesight, I needed my reading glasses to load the Turbo, never shot one before, not even in practice.
5th: you need to be lucky enough to have a steady hand or have the ability to shoot thought the shakes. On the last target I found pulling the trigger was a lot easier than loading.
6th: you need to be lucky enough to have an even temperament, maybe
7th: you need to be lucky enough to be able to buy a vehicle large enough to carry you and all your stuff to matches. Went by plane and was upgraded to business class, lucky??
8th: (and most important) you need to be lucky enough to find a lot of ammo that will shoot through the cold,heat,rain and WIND. No problem, just bought 3 boxes of tenex at the range shop.

Once you have the above listed you will be a world champion. Worked for me

P.S. It’s rimfire BR and if it was easy everyone would be doing it.
 
Fred and Joe, I'm gonna practice with my CF tomorrow and I think I will take your advice. 2 great shooters like you guys really are good for the rest of us. Mr Pappas was right.
Butch
 
Joe: You seem to have almost revealed the holy grail. Pray tell what color do the shoes need to be? I've tried most everything but white bucs. And, do I need the white belt to go along with them? They should go well with farmers overalls. Tell us please! bob finger
 
Charlie

cpeters said:
Oh, I been meaning to tell you....all of those parts fell off of my rest again.

Charlie
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Charlie, that's why I recommend the extended warranty. I tried to sell it to CWOP, now maybe he will understand why he needs it.
 
Extended Warranty

Worth every Penny. That's even at today's dollar. Thanks for offering it. Better than any GM extended warranty.
 
Best Shooters

CWOP, like Fred and Joe, I agree it is LUCK that wins matches. I have also noticed that Harry Deneen, Joe F, DJ and Danny Helpner, Joe Beshe, Darrell Barnes, Jerry Graves , David Kittimer, Dan Killough , Kirk Gaston and yes even Craig Young are all very lucky on match day. So maybe the best shooters just get lucky on match day.
 
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