DEFINE LONG RANGE
from what to what ?
on the rifle i just built, i used a
nf 5.5-22x56 for 2 reasons.
large targets
distances from 800 out to 2000 yards,
and it will go shorter.
100 moa built in.
I think if your set up can make consistent hits on a 2" target at 800 yds. you better not change anything. jim
Bin there. Shot great. Good bullets a B****. Shot it out shootin' Sierras. Had to measure every !@#$% one of 'em. Will pay for custom bullets. Checking out the nf you mentioned. I am sure it is better than the Sightron. Just wanted to check around,see what others said. Still got my stupid head set on a 308.Already got the dies made.well try that scope, but i think others are better...say the nf 15-55 competition.
wind is probably the issue as the dasher shoots well.
you want different, try a 284 throated for 180's .
has a good history.
Bin there. Shot great. Good bullets a B****. Shot it out shootin' Sierras. Had to measure every !@#$% one of 'em. Will pay for custom bullets. Checking out the nf you mentioned. I am sure it is better than the Sightron. Just wanted to check around,see what others said. Still got my stupid head set on a 308.Already got the dies made.
Thanks
LASER
if you are talking 308 win, 800 plus yards and two inch targets you are just wasting money.
the mil considers a 308 win an 800 yard round on large targets in sniper rifles.
jim..would love to hear why you like the 12-42 over the 15-55 ?
I know all that. We can see our hits in the dirt or see the spotters if shooting at a range with pits. Are you talking 6 mm or 30 cal holes at 400? Are you saying at 50 power on every condition, mirage being the big one, the March resolves these holes? If so I will order one soon as you tell me it is true. On a good day, meaning right lite and no mirage, I can see 6mm holes at 400 using less than 42 power without a problem. On a really good day, the nf resolves them at 600 yds. Started this thread to find out if anyone knew just how acceptable the Sightron scope really is.They usta be sort of ok.. but who knows now? The dilemma is throwing away 900 on the Sightron vrs. Just getting another nf or Leupold. Never had a March. Looked thru some. As one would expect, ya here different opinions. Thanks,It is nice to see bullet holes but it isn't necessary, if you can read the wind and have a good zero and run them in the same condition. I can see holes at 400 with no problem with a 10-60 March set on 50. At 1000 you can't see them you need to learn to read the wind and yank the trigger under the same condition...... jim
if you are talking 308 win, 800 plus yards and two inch targets you are just wasting money.
the mil considers a 308 win an 800 yard round on large targets in sniper rifles.
jim..would love to hear why you like the 12-42 over the 15-55 ?
I hit to the left and the dust moves left can one assume that correcting to the right is in order? If the wind hitting me on the right side suddenly stops and I do NOT correct right, what corrective measures would that be called if not reading the wind? What am I missing.I have done this with some positive results. I can not read wind well without flags. Watch some stuff, sometimes it works.. I guess a sniper would know, but if I see my hit and correct while observing what I THINK ARE PERTINENT CONDITIONS,am I not "reading the wind"?Are we playing with words? Difference between reading the wind and doping conditions,perhaps?In order to not hijack this thread(I really hope someone chimes in on the Sightron) Could you pm me and give pointers about this? Like I said, I am just fooling around but does not mean that one would not be willing to put some time and effort into getting better. Looking forward to our correspondence. ThanksSeeing the dust on a hit sure isn't reading the wind my friend, what you see on a hit is too late..... I only use a a 6mm. ...... jim
Why would i pick the old over the new put them side by side. I have had no less than 4 of each. image size at 42 @ 100 yds compared to the 15-55 has to be turned up to all most 50 to be equal. Eye relief is to critical, flat ass don't shoot as good. The only one i ever seen a bullet hole at 1000 was with was the 12-42. Sent the last comp. back for impact shift, they told me it was the rings. I had all ready removed the scope and replaced it with a March 10-60 and it shot small. The rings they said were the cause, when i used them on the March it shot smaller than the comp. and when they were used with the 12- 42 they set records. I shoot free recoil and the eye relief on the NXS is very forgiving, the only issue with them was the weight....... jim
Just what I wanted to hear regarding the Sightron. Will check out books. Excellent suggestion!.Do a search for which one to start. Trying to teach something by correspondence may be impossible. Time consuming and labor intensive at the very least. It was presumptive of me to ask. Probally go with another nf but am looking at the Valadas. There seems to be good things said on the short range pages by two very knowlegeable guys. Do you think that 36 is enough power for the type of shooting we have been discussing? I also have to realise how much time I have or don't for this kind of shooting. So far it is only a lark.But still, bustin' shells and nice trip in upstate PA, What's not to like? Thanks again.I had one but with the soft clicks and the fact the image get distorted around the edges at higher power, sold it. I think you should invest in a good book on reading the wind first...... jim
