Jackie-Singled out using a Farley action

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I've found the time to read the Thread and I'm more for the safety then anybody. I'll be brutally honest and say, that there is no action that would satisfy my demand of safety.

However I found the whole Thread as a bit of bull. Many of you'r claiming that you'll never feel safe with Jackie or other Farley owner on the line.

I just wonder how many of you clinch and defend your custom hunting rifles based on the military Mausers 98 with the possibility of the long leaf extractor flying out and the inferior steels used of unknown compositions and heat-treatment.
How many of you are happy or would grab a Sako rifles and extractors if given the opportunity and never seem to question any of the steels used and their suitability and hardness.
To use a 416 SS for barrels and actions at -20-40*C below zero it's not the smartest thing that one can do. However everybody seems to be safe and happy.

I wonder how many of the Custom actions and barrels are properly (150%) test proofed and what's the manufacturers guarantee.

I would feel equally if I was next to Jackie or any other rifle. There is no difference and it's quiet possible that "every action" maker had a blowup at some time and remember, one day it may be yours.

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Shoot better
Peter
 

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It is what it is and I am sure this thread will be deleted as well before the end of the day.
 
150%????

I believe a "Blue Pill" is 30% over max for the intended cartridge. Do you test all your actions at 150% over?
 
What and where ??

Did this occur and why ?:eek:

PPP MMM said:
I've found the time to read the Thread and I'm more for the safety then anybody. I'll be brutally honest and say, that there is no action that would satisfy my demand of safety.

However I found the whole Thread as a bit of bull. Many of you'r claiming that you'll never feel safe with Jackie or other Farley owner on the line.

I just wonder how many of you clinch and defend your custom hunting rifles based on the military Mausers 98 with the possibility of the long leaf extractor flying out and the inferior steels used of unknown compositions and heat-treatment.
How many of you are happy or would grab a Sako rifles and extractors if given the opportunity and never seem to question any of the steels used and their suitability and hardness.
To use a 416 SS for barrels and actions at -20-40*C below zero it's not the smartest thing that one can do. However everybody seems to be safe and happy.

I wonder how many of the Custom actions and barrels are properly (150%) test proofed and what's the manufacturers guarantee.

I would feel equally if I was next to Jackie or any other rifle. There is no difference and it's quiet possible that "every action" maker had a blowup at some time and remember, one day it may be yours.

Just like this ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Shoot better
Peter
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PPP MMM said:
I've found the time to read the Thread and I'm more for the safety then anybody. I'll be brutally honest and say, that there is no action that would satisfy my demand of safety.

However I found the whole Thread as a bit of bull. Many of you'r claiming that you'll never feel safe with Jackie or other Farley owner on the line.

I just wonder how many of you clinch and defend your custom hunting rifles based on the military Mausers 98 with the possibility of the long leaf extractor flying out and the inferior steels used of unknown compositions and heat-treatment.
How many of you are happy or would grab a Sako rifles and extractors if given the opportunity and never seem to question any of the steels used and their suitability and hardness.
To use a 416 SS for barrels and actions at -20-40*C below zero it's not the smartest thing that one can do. However everybody seems to be safe and happy.

I wonder how many of the Custom actions and barrels are properly (150%) test proofed and what's the manufacturers guarantee.

I would feel equally if I was next to Jackie or any other rifle. There is no difference and it's quiet possible that "every action" maker had a blowup at some time and remember, one day it may be yours.

Just like this ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Shoot better
Peter
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I must give you credit for your attempt to divert what the real issue is here. Unfortunately, you did not do a very good job with it. The difference in what you are talking about and the specific situation here is there are a finite amount of the actions in question that have been manufactured. There is a known problem with some of them and the manufacturer has done nothing to make the general public aware of the problem period end of story (at the very least he should have something on his website but that would be very bad for business). The example of the 98 is especially humorous as there have been millions produced by many countries most of which were built over 75 years ago --- the item in question here has had orders of magnitude fewer built and given the price should be of the finest materials and process available which evidently there is a problem and even today – nothing on the web site to make someone aware of a pontential problem.

One aw sh#$ makes up for 1000 atta boys especially in this situation.


Sorry you are selling but I am not buying..
 
Boss Hoss 540 said:
I must give you credit for your attempt to divert what the real issue is here. Unfortunately, you did not do a very good job with it. The difference in what you are talking about and the specific situation here is there are a finite amount of the actions in question that have been manufactured. There is a known problem with some of them and the manufacturer has done nothing to make the general public aware of the problem period end of story (at the very least he should have something on his website but that would be very bad for business). The example of the 98 is especially humorous as there have been millions produced by many countries most of which were built over 75 years ago --- the item in question here has had orders of magnitude fewer built and given the price should be of the finest materials and process available which evidently there is a problem and even today – nothing on the web site to make someone aware of a pontential problem.

One aw sh#$ makes up for 1000 atta boys especially in this situation.


Sorry you are selling but I am not buying..
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I don't think that it is fair to say that "the manufacturer did nothing " to make the public aware.

Ted
 
What will it take?

Jim has notified the owners who had bolts that could potentially be defective. Some of these bolts had hardness levels of 53 RC, which is to high. The hardness of Jackie's bolt is at 48 RC which is not out of line for S7. The C-notch charpy impact test on S7 at 48 RC is 190 ft/lbs. which is way higher than about 95 percent of any bolt that could possibly be tested. Now Jim uses a whole different process, so the problem should be in the past. The only problem I might have shooting next to Jackie would be taking a glance at his target and wondering why is group is so much smaller than mine.

Michael
 
hecksf said:
I don't think that it is fair to say that "the manufacturer did nothing " to make the public aware.

Ted
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Ted--Please show me evidence to the contrary. I have been to his site and would love to know if there is another medium that I should review. I said "general public" which includes people who may be the 2nd or 3rd owner for example. I wonder if he is in the ACGG and if he is what they have to say about it.
 
A good opportunity at Seymor this weekend..

Jackie, this would be a great time to take some catsup packages to the firing line with you at Seymor..this weekend..after shooting a tiny group smear some catsup on your face and run for Larry Baggett screaming for help..:D
Larry will be done for the day...:D as would anyone reading these posts about the Farley bolts...
One must take every advantage possible in the four gun finale..:p
 
Several owners of the actions stated on a previous thread that he contacted them concerning the issues with the bolts.
Do you think they were lying?
 
Boss Hoss 540 said:
Ted--Please show me evidence to the contrary. I have been to his site and would love to know if there is another medium that I should review. I said "general public" which includes people who may be the 2nd or 3rd owner for example. I wonder if he is in the ACGG and if he is what they have to say about it.
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And just how would you go about notifying every one that had bought one of the suspect acitons. Rifles do get sold and sold again and not always thru FFl's. It seems to me the Farley's have done about all they could do to correct the problem. As I understand, they have replaced the bolts when found, at no charge. Have you never received a "recall notice" on a car that you had traded in for a new one. Who knows who the new owner is and how he is to be notified that he is driving a defective car........Donald
 
If in fact every single action that is suspect has been remedied then there is no issue. If not then at the minimum a posting on the manufactures web site would be in order listing the serial numbers that have not been recovered and repaired. Word would get out and the problem would be fixed permanently – now it looks on the outside like someone is more worried about profit and their good name than about safety.

In my view safety comes first but there are those of the “depends” crowd who always will disagree because they have one of the actions and have shot it for “years” or “know” the individual involved and can attest to what a great person he is and what he has done for the sport. My response is simple----what does that have to do with the issue at hand?
 
[In my view safety comes first but there are those of the “depends” crowd']

That statement is not very nice.

How many times have you loaded a round to fire form your thunderboomer over rating and risked a failure of the action and not informed any of your shooting partners. Boss be careful when you accuse some one of impropriorty(sp) before policing yourself.
 
i don't own any of the boutique actions, but i have noticed one thing about this thread. all of the custom actions mentioned i do believe are made out of aluminum. being that i worked with aluminum and high pressure for a number of years i thought ya'll would like to know something about it. aluminum doesn't react well to stress. it elongates it stretches, it fractures but the one thing aluminum doesn't do it to relax to its pre-stressed state. once it has stretched and expanded it stays that way, till the next time its stressed. it will do this any number of time till it fails. every time a primer pops and a bullet goes down the barrel, the action is stressed. the action receives a pressure wave around the circumference of the barrel at the chamber and the bolt is pushed back against the lug insert. after a number of firings these tolerances increase as the action compresses. if you fire loads at the top of the velocity scale the pressures will soon approach the limit of the aluminums ability to contain them. thus the action fails, as in the pic on the first post. i hate to be a nay sayer but the reason steel works so well for rifle actions is that it is ductile and has the ability to take pressure repeatedly and return to it resting state, without permanent change. when actions came out that were not steel it left me wondering if aluminum could really take the abuse that shooters dish out. i also realize that there are some actions made out of aluminum that have fired many thousands of rounds and have not failed yet. but the way i see it, the key word is yet. these are the same reasons i would not trust a rifle with an action made out of titanium either. Paul Mauser designed his rifle around steel, part of the reason was cost, the other reason was strength. as mentioned in other posts steel types and heat treat process as well as poor engineering, are suspect on any action that you don't really know the history of. but steel that rifle actions are made out of is by far and wide stronger than any aluminum action, no matter what kind if aluminum its made of. as for the bolt failures one of the culprits could be uneven compression of the lug insert in the action. this could cause one lug to fail or both.
 
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When a bolt lugs break, it's always a concern

BOSS

I've no intention to divert from the real issue at all. If the manufacturer was aware of the problem in the past and h've done nothing about it , that's quiet unbelievable. Any steel made component can fail at one time or other without any previous signs or warnings, regardless of the steel or a manufacturer.

This phenomenon is rare, but does occur. The first time I've come a cross this was while I was in the army. One of the army truck 2.5" thick carburized semi axle snapped in half while the truck was parked in guarded area. Nice and clean break right though. Since then I've red about this phenomenon about 4-5 times and everytime it was a carburized steel. Don't we all believe that carburized steels suppose to have at least some toughness?

Jackie has genuin concern and rightly so and it just shows that he's a guy of honour for bringing his concerns to the open forum. I just wonder what's going to happen with those whom have the "faulty bolts" in their actions. Is the manufacturer going to replace them for free or what?

CRIVER

I personally test proof every rifle that I've ever owned, all 43 of them. I oil the case body with 120Hypoid diff. oil and remotely fire the action in a 1M long (12"OD-10"ID ) 1" thick wall pipe and 1.5" thick welded bottom and a 1" thick bayonet like locked lid. If I pack the whole barreled action tightly in old rags you can't even hear it, just a unrecognizeble dull noise even if you'r standing next to it. People standing 10M away don't even turn they heads.

What the "blue pill" pressure is I don't know, but primers are freed of the case even with a Lapua brass. The primer pockets are on the average about 1MM (0.04") larger, but I've never manage to break or damage an action, appart from few broken Rem. extractors everything was nearly trouble free. Even the six 98 Mausers past the oiled case test.

It's not easy to put a brand new .460Wea. MarkV on the line, but I rather risk loosing few grand, than my face or hand.


Shoot better
Peter
 
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Lew said:
[In my view safety comes first but there are those of the “depends” crowd']

That statement is not very nice.

How many times have you loaded a round to fire form your thunderboomer over rating and risked a failure of the action and not informed any of your shooting partners. Boss be careful when you accuse some one of impropriorty(sp) before policing yourself.
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Never if you must know---bulls eye loaded to the volumes needed with no bullet is safe now go back and help Ron fleece someone lol. Have confirmed this method with people who have actually done the pressure testing.
 
Boss Hog,
You are like a lot of kids, You can dish it out, but you haven't learned how to take it without making smart ass remarks. You're are making a fool of yourself and don't realize it.
Butch
 
sourdough said:
i don't own any of the boutique actions, but i have noticed one thing about this thread. all of the custom actions mentioned i do believe are made out of aluminum. .
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All the significant forces are contained in the steel insert that the bbl threads into. The main load that the alum bears is the weight of the bbl cantilevered out front. There is more than enough cross section designed into the alum part to bear this load for eternity.
 
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