Ist Airgun Benchrest Match of the year in Temecula

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As with the last couple yrs, we shoot on the third Sunday of the month.

Fifty Yards fire for group size.

Temecula Wine Country range. Limited entry.

Sunday, 9:00am start. Potluck lunch after the match.

Email for directions:

durham767@gmail.com
 
Been practicing...:D

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1st airgun benchrest match

Hey I know where that is!! H.B.:rolleyes:
 
Results of January Fifty Yard BR Match in Temecula

Here are the results from the January 2010 benchrest match held in Temecula yesterday:

Matt Saenz .437" FX Cyclone, Leup 6.5-20X, .22 JSB

Larry Durham .489" USFT, Leup 24x, 5mm JSB

Matt Kellerman, .625" USFT, Nikko 10-50x, .22 JSB

Roger Lovett, .804" FWB AZ P70, ? , .177 Premier

Richard Wood, .831" Walther Dominator, Hawke 6-24X, .22 JSB 16gr

Tim McMurray, .948" USFT, Nikko 10-50X, 5mm JSB

Tim Donaldson, .988" FWB AZ, ? , .177 Premier

Larry Pirrone, 1.418" AA TX200, Hawke 8-32x,.177 JSB lite

The scores are the combined aggregate ( center to center) group sizes of the thirty record three shot groups fired by each competitor off the bench from fifty yards.
 
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Sorry could not make it, sickness involving intestinal tract - nuff said (or perhaps too much)

Nice scores, with Airguns under a half inch at 50. :)

I can hear the .22 powder burners squirming in their custom bench stools :D

Nice shooting you guys......
 
Matt Saenz set a new range record

And the thing is, he doesnt even use a fancy adjustable rest or big flat forend gun!

He uses (I think) a Caldwell vee-bag type rest that looks a bit like a stuffed pillow with a deep vee top and bottom, and a small vee bag under the pistol grip. Two shooters used similar setups, Rich W., who used to use one too (see pic) has switched to a Nissan scissors jack I sold him.

The gun Matt uses looks to be a standard Axor type repeater rifle with the black synthetic stock. It shoots hard, at around 930fps with 18.1 gr pellets, but I think the thing is, he's just a real good judge of wind and when to pull that trigger!

I had him slightly edged the first two cards by a very tiny amount, but my last target was pretty poor, and he just kept on smokin em with raggedy one holers, and took the match and my old record (.441" ctc agg, set last June) away.

Next month we have five concrete benches (instead of three concrete and one metal) set up down below, so we can easy handle the typical eight or so competitors, or even ten with the usual two relays. I know you felt the metal one to be a disadvantage, but its the one Matt has preferred and done well with.
 
Nice shooting

Thx for the report and including the types of rifles and scopes used. What were the wind conditions during the match? Do you use wind flags during the match?
 
nlieber said:
Thx for the report and including the types of rifles and scopes used. What were the wind conditions during the match? Do you use wind flags during the match?
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Yep...wind flags(each shooter)...winds prevailing are left to right (crosswind) varible at 3-8 mph...and switching at times to being headwind or quartering from 10 o'clock...this can happen in seconds...so reading wind is a huge factor..

Dominator .22 Cal...Hawke 6-24x50SF...JSB 16 gr..
 
Are the groups shot in 3s so ninety shots or is it 30 shots for the match.

Also measuring centre to centre if the hole is the same size as a single pellet so an actual pellet will not pass through it how would that be measured/scored.

Andy
 
Huh?

The post says thirty record three shot groups ... that is ninety shots.

If a three shot group measures the same width and height as one pellet diameter, it would be called a zero ctc group. So far the smallest record group we have seen was around .025" ct. One reason we fire from fifty yards is to end up with groups large enough to be easily measured ... we tried 25yds and the groups were too small to give meaningful competition.
 
temacula

very good , what masures are taken to insure that someone just shoots 2 shots instead of the required 3 shots ? if you know what i'm getting at. like moveing backers or something like that. like the big boys use. any thought on that? good luck with this game. H.B.:D
 
Measures to avoid cheating?

Well, I did come up with a good backer setup that we used for our first matches, and it seemed effective, but it was kind of a pain to use, so we stopped using it.

For our normal club matches, we typically all know each other, and there's really no worry any of us have about deliberate dishonesty ... its simply not worth it as you only hurt yourself in the long run. Here's why:

We have accumulated a good feeling for how typical groups and cards look over the last two year of regular monthly shooting, and we know that there ARE occasional three shot groups that look just like two-shot ones ... but its not normal for more than one, or at most two to appear on any one card.

Also, just because it looks like an apparent two-shot group, the average ctc of the holes isnt often all THAT much smaller than an average three shot group either.

We use the total aggregate from ALL three cards, thirty groups, averaged, to determine the winner. The effect of reducing the size of one group from say ... 0.5" ct to 0.25" would be approximately -.008" on the overall score of a decent shooter, and correspondingly less effect on a mediocre shooter's score.

Were we to notice a shooter having what seemed to be an abnormal amount of suspicious groups looking like "two-shot" ones, we CAN implement our backer setup. We would also likely use the backers for a more important championship type match, were to ever have one.

I came up with a fixed backer system that seemed decent. It consists of a separate set of target backers placed around six feet behind the normal target stand. We saw that most groups opened up fifty percent or more, ESP with those that have holes touching, and a group that looks like one ragged hole will open up plenty enough to see the three seperate holes on the backer. By offsetting that target after each relay, the backer (approx 20"X30" cardboard) can be used for a couple relays.

As I said before, the fifty yard outdoor setup was selected because it allowed the most competitive shooting and easiest scoring with the least overall cost and effort compared to the shorter range shooting.

We have room to grow scorewise, and more important, the game we play allows better feedback on equipment and technique modifications for us.
 
Now that I explained what were were doing her ein Temecula

We are changing. For now, due to a course design error that requires the benches to be more forward than my original measurements suggested, we will not be able to use the six foot offset backer option on the new Southwest range on my ranch.

Until we decide to move quite a bit of the backstop (earthen berm) we will need to dispense with the backer or at least offset them a much shorter distance of perhaps three feet.

I tried the new range today, comparing it directly with the old range by firing a target on each within the same hour ... its gonna be tough. winds werent quite so strong but seemed more "switchy" down below, making it hard to catch the shifts unless you REALLY watched the flags close.

Next match the third Sunday of Feb.
 
If you are setting up in the little swale to the south of your house, you are gonna have tricky switch winds as opposed to the wind you get up on the flat area. Oh well, everyone has to shoot in it, and in the long run will make better shooters of all involved. Flags are going to be a must have.

As far as someone cheating by only shooting two shots, I can't believe that the folks who shoot there would ever do such a thing purposely. Non issue.

My 2 pesos. John Harris
 
Agreed

The new lower range area will prolly have tricky winds, as does the upper range we have been using so far, but as you say, we will all be shooting under the same conditions.

And, as to "cheating", no, I don't think the any of the guys we have would resort to that. The only reason I tried the backers was in anticipation of more serious matches where some visitors might question some groups, and more importantly to learn what could be done with spaced backers. So far after looking at over a thousand groups fired during out matches, there were two or three that appeared to be one or perhaps two shots in a ragged hole, and one that looked like one shot in a not-so-ragged hole. The one exceptional one-holer WAS fired when we had the six foot backer in play, and the backer had the group opened up to clearly show the three shots.

BTW, on the topic of cheating, right now, with the sort of average group spreads we are seeing, there are typically two or three "screamer" groups on a really great card, and two or three with pretty wide spaced shots, and the in-between. If we ever get to a point of discovering some sort of breakthru that produces lots of one-holers, well, then I suspect I will hire a dozer again and move the berm and targets back another 25 yards?
 
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