Is it legal to fire a fouler in 600yd?
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Sure Al,
Sighters. You get all you want under all the rules I am aware of. We give 6 minutes and I'm sure the IBS does also. I've shot 13-15 before (getting rid of ammo I didn't want). I can't immagine that the NBRSA does any different.
We shoot a 2 target per sitting format with a very short dealy, and only one sighter between targets. At that point though, you're in a 30 second time space so foulers are not a concern.
Sighters. You get all you want under all the rules I am aware of. We give 6 minutes and I'm sure the IBS does also. I've shot 13-15 before (getting rid of ammo I didn't want). I can't immagine that the NBRSA does any different.
We shoot a 2 target per sitting format with a very short dealy, and only one sighter between targets. At that point though, you're in a 30 second time space so foulers are not a concern.
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Cheechako
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Al
NBRSA gives you a 6 minute sight-in period before your first record target. You can shoot as many shots as you want (or as many as the target puller can keep up with
). All shots are spotted. At the end of the sighter period, the record target is readied but when it comes up and the commence firing begins you are only allowed the required number of shots (5 or 10) at the record taget. No berm shots or any other shenaigans.
At the end of the time period, the record target is removed and replaced with another sighter target. You then have a 3 minute sight in period followed by another record target. If the format calls for 3 targets, you do it again.
Berm shots are not allowed under any circumstances although some shooters will do it. Some guys will always disregard the rules. It is unsafe. When you do your pit duty you'll understand why. Also, your target puller is instructed to count the number of record shots so if he sees one in the berm you'll probably be penalized.
Procedures for ranges without pits are somewhat different and you need to check with the individual club for how it conducts the sighting periods.
Depending on the tournament format, you may shoot as many as 6 record targets at one relay (3LG and 3HG), or as few as 2.
Ray
NBRSA gives you a 6 minute sight-in period before your first record target. You can shoot as many shots as you want (or as many as the target puller can keep up with
). All shots are spotted. At the end of the sighter period, the record target is readied but when it comes up and the commence firing begins you are only allowed the required number of shots (5 or 10) at the record taget. No berm shots or any other shenaigans.At the end of the time period, the record target is removed and replaced with another sighter target. You then have a 3 minute sight in period followed by another record target. If the format calls for 3 targets, you do it again.
Berm shots are not allowed under any circumstances although some shooters will do it. Some guys will always disregard the rules. It is unsafe. When you do your pit duty you'll understand why. Also, your target puller is instructed to count the number of record shots so if he sees one in the berm you'll probably be penalized.
Procedures for ranges without pits are somewhat different and you need to check with the individual club for how it conducts the sighting periods.
Depending on the tournament format, you may shoot as many as 6 record targets at one relay (3LG and 3HG), or as few as 2.
Ray
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expiper
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berm shots
Hi Al...the answer is NO...not after the record string has begun....((whether it is a fouler or a sighter))and never in the berm when there are people in the pits....now at ranges with no pits the time to shoot at the berm is during the sight in period(s) only....if during the record string the wind changes and you are thinking about putting one in the berm....I understand the logic...but you cant see where the bullets are on the paper so it is of lilttle use and ILLEGIAL>>> hope this helps...Roger
Hi Al...the answer is NO...not after the record string has begun....((whether it is a fouler or a sighter))and never in the berm when there are people in the pits....now at ranges with no pits the time to shoot at the berm is during the sight in period(s) only....if during the record string the wind changes and you are thinking about putting one in the berm....I understand the logic...but you cant see where the bullets are on the paper so it is of lilttle use and ILLEGIAL>>> hope this helps...Roger
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The logic is actually different than all this
I'm somewhat convinced that interrupting a string of shots can cause a flier.
10min is a long time to set around watching conditions, I'd like to fire a fouler, a REAL fouler before running or resuming a group. Last time I did sit for 6min in one string. I've only shot this discipline twice now so I'm trying to develop a headgame. IMO having a headgame is important and I've got none except spray and pray at this point.
Cheech,
I've been in three pits and in the few that I've pulled I can't see the danger of firing one over the frame.
Lou,
I got some good info from Eric Stanton re the March design features. I'm convinced........ he's almost got me convinced to come to see y'all at the SK shootout too It's only a couple hrs from here. I'd like to come up and meet you and Don. If I do I'll bring a gun. (I don't have a rail)
al
addition,
I just checked the dates and realized that the Sniper King is July 4th which means that I cannot make it as we're involved with producing a fireworks show.
I'm somewhat convinced that interrupting a string of shots can cause a flier.
10min is a long time to set around watching conditions, I'd like to fire a fouler, a REAL fouler before running or resuming a group. Last time I did sit for 6min in one string. I've only shot this discipline twice now so I'm trying to develop a headgame. IMO having a headgame is important and I've got none except spray and pray at this point.
Cheech,
I've been in three pits and in the few that I've pulled I can't see the danger of firing one over the frame.
Lou,
I got some good info from Eric Stanton re the March design features. I'm convinced........ he's almost got me convinced to come to see y'all at the SK shootout too
It's only a couple hrs from here. I'd like to come up and meet you and Don. If I do I'll bring a gun. (I don't have a rail) al
addition,
I just checked the dates and realized that the Sniper King is July 4th which means that I cannot make it as we're involved with producing a fireworks show.
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Cheechako
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Al
I'll concede that a berm shot actually poses only a small danger to the pit crew. After all, on those windy days there are shots all over the berm, the frames, the number boards, even the berm in front of the pits and we haven't had anybody shot yet. But I'm more concerned about making berm shots legal. Where do you stop? Is everybody allowed one shot? Or two? Or an unlimited number? Who controls it? What if Fred decides to use his legal berm shots as sighters instead of foulers? He'll just use that 6" boulder as a target. I'd rather not be in the pits when that is going on.
How will the pit crew determine which shot is a fouler? They are instructed to count the number of shots in the event of cross-fires and misses. Let's say I throw a record shot over the target but I see the impact. So I simply declare that as a fouler and put my 6th shot back on paper. Who's to argue??
I know that there are guys who cheat now with things such as I described. Let's not make it easier for them.
JMHO
Ray
Ray that all makes sense the way you've described it.
BTW, I'm thinking of bringing a sound actuated IPSC pistol shot-counter to my next match. Taping it to my target frame....."counting the shots in the berm" is a whole lot easier said than done. I don't see much counting going on.
As far as rocks go..... this Portland range is nothing BUT rocks in the berm. And flickertail squirrels. I coulda' got one Sat
BTW, I'm thinking of bringing a sound actuated IPSC pistol shot-counter to my next match. Taping it to my target frame....."counting the shots in the berm" is a whole lot easier said than done. I don't see much counting going on.
As far as rocks go..... this Portland range is nothing BUT rocks in the berm. And flickertail squirrels. I coulda' got one Sat
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Cheechako
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Al
I guess that the ranges where you shoot do not instruct the pit crew to count shots. At the recent 600 Yard NBRSA Nationals in Sacramento we all counted and I don't know of an incident where shots were missed. At 600 yards, especially, it is critical to do so because of the tiny groups that are being fired with regularity.
There is no doubt that the LR rules need to be reviewed and possible changes recommended. We have learned a lot in the last 10 years and the group sizes are starting to get downright scary.
Ray
I guess that the ranges where you shoot do not instruct the pit crew to count shots. At the recent 600 Yard NBRSA Nationals in Sacramento we all counted and I don't know of an incident where shots were missed. At 600 yards, especially, it is critical to do so because of the tiny groups that are being fired with regularity.
There is no doubt that the LR rules need to be reviewed and possible changes recommended. We have learned a lot in the last 10 years and the group sizes are starting to get downright scary.
Ray
We were so instructed, it's just hard! Stack 8-15 shooters shoulder to shoulder and tell me do we wanna' talk??? Howsabout when a guy starts stackin' 'em up two targets over.....do you look?
It's HARD to count shots is all. I'm there to meet and greet and have fun. Plus this berm here is rocky, the visible signature only lasts a split second and the sound can get confused.
Yeahh, I can already see some room for change. I'd rather mix up more pit changes/relays than shoot morning/afternoon f'rinstance.
al
It's HARD to count shots is all. I'm there to meet and greet and have fun. Plus this berm here is rocky, the visible signature only lasts a split second and the sound can get confused.
Yeahh, I can already see some room for change. I'd rather mix up more pit changes/relays than shoot morning/afternoon f'rinstance.
al
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carl hansen
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Billy Copelin and I shot the first IBS 600 Nationals in 2006 at the Varmint Hunters range in Fort Pierre,SD.Their rules required that at the time for your record string that you only have the exact number of rounds on the Bench (5). It was said that in some matches in the East that some unethical shooters were firing extra shots on a competitors target which resulted in a DQ of their competition.
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Cheechako
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Carl
that's one of the things that we discussed in Sacramento. In general no one liked the idea plus it put an added burden on the range officer.
Pit crew vigilence is a better alternative. I admit that it takes some of the fun out of working the pits but it's supposed to be a duty, not a party. You do need a hard-a$$ed pit boss though.
I don't think there is an easy answer to cheaters, whether its shooting, football, or sex.
Ray
that's one of the things that we discussed in Sacramento. In general no one liked the idea plus it put an added burden on the range officer.
Pit crew vigilence is a better alternative. I admit that it takes some of the fun out of working the pits but it's supposed to be a duty, not a party. You do need a hard-a$$ed pit boss though.
I don't think there is an easy answer to cheaters, whether its shooting, football, or sex.
Ray