IBS Agenda Items

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I forgot to post these agenda items after the nationals for all the IBS 600yd shooters to see what is trying to be changed. We got enough signatures and was submitted on time. Now we wait for the Jan meeting to vote on them. there are several reasons why these things need to pass, I won't go into detail at this time.
#1
Current rule:

Currently there is a Long Range Committee which was established to oversee the 1000 yard and 600 yard competition rules.

Change to:

Establish a 600 yard IBS Rules Committee.

Justification: There is significant difference BETWEEN the two shooting disciplines to warrant a group of 600 yard competitors to work on and establish the rules which would govern their sport. There is very little cross over between those shooters which shoot IN BOTH classes of competition.

# 2

Current rule:

IBS 600 yard Shooter of the Year (SOY) honors will be based solely on the points accumulated at five sanctioned IBS 600 yard matches per IBS 600 yard Club per year. These matches are to be determined by the respective Club and submitted to the IBS with their match contract.

Change to:

IBS 600 yard Shooter of the Year (SOY) will be based on the Shooter’s best five matches from each of the IBS 600 Yard Clubs the participant has competed in. All IBS registered matches would be considered SOY matches.

Justification: 1. Increase attendance at all IBS 600 yard Registered matches. 2. Provide an opportunity for shooters who have a conflict doing only those identified SOY matches. 3. Provide an opportunity for more shooting by all participants on annual bases and 4. Increase revenue to the IBS organization.

# 3

Current rule:

Points for the National Championship would double in value.

Change to:

National Championship points will be based on the existing SCALE for all matches.

Justification: The existing scale for match points is based on number of participants attending any given match and the Nationals should not be treated any differently. The way it stands now, you only have to attend the Nationals with double points and place pretty good with either or both guns to be Shooter of the Year. One week-end of shooting should not determine the Shooter of the Year.
 
Sounds good to me Brian. I hope to make the meeting in Jan.

Mark Schronce
 
#1
Current rule:

Currently there is a Long Range Committee which was established to oversee the 1000 yard and 600 yard competition rules.

Change to:

Establish a 600 yard IBS Rules Committee.

Justification: There is significant difference BETWEEN the two shooting disciplines to warrant a group of 600 yard competitors to work on and establish the rules which would govern their sport. There is very little cross over between those shooters which shoot IN BOTH classes of competition.
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I don't have a problem with #2 & #3 but everyone needs to highly consider the negative impacts if #1 is passed. This very issue was heavily discussed at the initial 600yd meeting in Wilkes Barre, PA meeting when the 600yd rules were first drawn up. I personally attended this meeting and heard all of the same arguments at that time.

I submit that BR is BR is BR.. I really don't care what the distance is that you are shooting. I feel that if you use common sense and vote for the good of the sport, that anyone of us could sit on a rules committee for trap or skeet even if you don't readily compete in those disciplines. But BR is BR in my book. I know several like to argue score against group. To me they are both BR firing different courses of fire. It's that simple.

To me the only difference between the 600yd and 1000yd game from a committee's perspective is the course of fire. I agree that you don't have a lot of 1000yd shooters attending 600yd matches for whatever reason. But I do know for a fact that at this years winter meeting that the LR committee nominees were purposely selected with balancing 600 and 1000yd competitors just for this very reason. If anything for perception reasons.

If you have 2 different committees they can go in different directions as far as equipment rules... the only people that will pay the price is the shooters. And that is dangerous. For instance what if a 600yd committee get together an agenda item and gets it submitted to allow HGs to have muzzle brakes but the 1000yd side doesn't think it's important enough to have an agenda item and the current rules do not allow muzzle brakes in HG? Now you have a separation of equipment and that is NOT good in any way, shape, or form for the over health of LR BR. One advantage of the current LR rules for all 3 sanctioning bodies is that the equipment rules are really wide open and only restrictive in easily enforceable methods that allow room for people to experiment. That is something we need to keep in mind.

From someone who has been directly/indirectly involved in IBS committee processes for almost 10yrs now I do not see any good coming from having 2 separate committees representing the 600yd and 1000yd games respectively within the IBS infrastructure.

If you don't feel that you are receiving good representation currently, then there are means to get heard right now without adding another level of administration that will suck up more volunteer hours to run a new committee. Get with the LR committee members and make your feelings known right now. There are good people involved that talk on a weekly basis that I guarantee will listen. That is my opinion. And most of the committee members are members of this board.

Let me close with this also. I'm not telling anyone how to vote. Make up your own mind. I just ask that you truly think about all pros and cons of every proposal. My high school economics teacher had a saying, "There is no such thing as a free lunch." I've always said no matter how good an idea sounds at first... if you stop and think about it long enough there is always cons to every "great" idea. Think about both sides of the pros and cons and then submit your vote accordingly.

Steve
 
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My opinion is:

One Long Range committee is all that is needed.....
And in the best interest to only have one committee deciding the rules.....


Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
 
Hi Steve,

I see your point, so why don't we even up the committee. if we have 8 members on the committee, take 4 from the 1,000yd and 4 from the 600yd and even out the committee so we don't have 1 group or person influencing the rest. One of several reasons that the agenda was created was based on a statement made by a committee member that he did'nt really care about the 600yd game when he was presented an issue.
 
Points for the Nationals

BMF said:
# 3

Current rule:

Points for the National Championship would double in value.

Change to:

National Championship points will be based on the existing SCALE for all matches.

Justification: The existing scale for match points is based on number of participants attending any given match and the Nationals should not be treated any differently. The way it stands now, you only have to attend the Nationals with double points and place pretty good with either or both guns to be Shooter of the Year. One week-end of shooting should not determine the Shooter of the Year.
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I may be missing something but I don't see that the points earned in a National Championship is actually Double points. There are 8 targets shot in a Nationals which equals 2 regular matches during which a shooter can earn the same amount of points. Granted there is less travel time and you have a chance to shoot 8 targets in three days back to back. I think we would have more of a problem with attendance if a shooter were awarded the same points for shooting 4 targets when actually he has been shooting it out for three days with some of the best shooters in the country and has shot 8 targets. What am I missing ?

Rodney
 
One of several reasons that the agenda was created was based on a statement made by a committee member that he did'nt really care about the 600yd game when he was presented an issue.
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Brian,
Then you absolutely have an valid argument. I believe dealing with this issue directly is a better means that just making a new committee. I know all members of the current committee and consider them friends. I would like to think that comment was made as a passing comment and not meant to be taken seriously. But even if that was the case, the bottom line is that a 600yd competitor (yourself) feels like they are not being represented and that is the issue.
There are enough committee members that read this message board that I'm sure this issue will be addressed now that it has been brought out in the open.

But all committee members need to understand that you do indeed represent 600 and 1000yd disiplines when they volunteer for the IBS LR committee. FYI: all committees are a minimum of 3 and max of 6 members. Yes next year we can definitely try to balance it out with 3 and 3 if there are enough volunteers from both disciplines. That would be the key.

Steve
 
The IBS Long Range Committee is currently reviewing these items and will give its recomendation on them to the E-Board this week.
Thanks Steve for the input.

Lee
 
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