Thanks Phil & Vinny, Over here in Australia an 8x80 march is $4400 and a 8x32 NF is $1450 so as Phil said the cost is a consideration .. Plus i live in a northern tropical enviroment , the Sea,beachs ,Suntans and 90 % humidity and lots of palm tree's ,Mirage with a capitol M is a major factor in getting results .. I have had a 12x42 DD Nightforce for a long time and i don't use it past 30 power most every comp because when ya bump it up to 42 you can't see squat in detail on the target face .. Apart from the weight factor ,i guess i'm wondering if the $3000 difference is worth it, i can buy 3 barrels for that much ..Mabye even get some more of those beaut little 187 BIBs i use..JR..Jeff Rogers