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I'm looking at up grading my current hearing protection kit.

Has anyone purchased GunSport•PRO1 High-Definition Electronic Earplugs. If you have I'd like to discuss.

Also what hearing protection devices do the forum members employ.

For lone shotgun and rifle hunting I have a set of custom moulded ear plugs. For clay shooting I have a pair of Peltor PorTacII electronic muffs.

When on the range for .22BR alone I use my ear plugs, when in company I use my Peltor earmuffs . I use foam plugs and muffs when shooting c/f BR especially when in I'm not the only one shooting.
 
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On the range (covered) I wear foam earplugs and the small Peltor "shotgun" muffs usually. I have some older Peltor electronic muffs, but just muffs alone don't seem to provide the protection I want. I had a pair of moulded plugs but aside from being easier to insert didn't find that they provided any more noise reduction than the good foam plugs. Larger muffs might produce more noise reduction, but tend to interfere with the comb on most rifle stocks.

If you still have good hearing wear as much noise protection as you can, I'm so deaf that with my aids out I can't hear much of anything, and even with them in it's not much fun. As my audiologist says, "aids aren't as good as original equipment." He's right.
 
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I'm looking at up grading my current hearing protection kit.

Has anyone purchased GunSport•PRO1 High-Definition Electronic Earplugs. If you have I'd like to discuss.

Also what hearing protection devices do the forum members employ.
For lone shotgun and rifle hunting I have a set of custom moulded ear plugs. For clay shooting I have a pair of Peltor PorTacII electronic muffs.

When on the range for .22BR alone I use my ear plugs, when in company I use my Peltor earmuffs . I use foam plugs and muffs when shooting c/f BR especially when in I'm not the only one shooting.


You cannot do much better than wearing a properly fitted set of custom plugs and a good pair of muffs. you will never be as well protected with 1 alone. But realize you will not be able to hear squat if you have the best protection on.

All that said, there are a number of good electronic earplugs available. The best are from Tactical Hearing. Those, plus good muffs allow you to hear range commands as well as block out the shooting once it starts. Understand that this option is NOT a cheap date. All depends on how much your hearing is worth. I personally would pay most all my asset wealth for mine back.

IMHPYou cannot do much better than wearing a properly fitted set of custom plugs and a good pair of muffs. you will never be as well protected with 1 alone. But realize you will not be able to hear squat if you have the best protection on.

All that said, there are a number of good electronic earplugs available. The best are from Tactical Hearing. Those, plus good muffs allow you to hear range commands as well as block out the shooting once it starts. Understand that this option is NOT a cheap date. All depends on how much your hearing is worth. I personally would pay most all my asset wealth for mine back.

IMHO,

David
 
David

Thanks for the info re Tactical Hearing. .............food for thought.

Hearing, is like all those things we use to have...you don't miss until its gone.
 
FWIW i use the howard leight foam plugs and the same brand electronic impact sport muffs. With those two and the electronic muffs off I am nearly deaf. I turn up the volume on the electronic muffs and can hear well enough and am still protected when the shooting starts. I have tried other brands of foam plugs and a set of custom plugs may be in order, but I have not found better foam than the howard leight's (Max lite foam ear plugs).
 
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Im glad to hear that some of you guys wear foam earplugs and shotgun muffs. Thats what I started doin because of the thick earpiece on the rifle muffs couldnt get on the stock. My ears ring all the time and I cant hear high pitched noises. Someone that talks soft I need sign language. I used to shoot a .22 pistol all the time without protectors, hell, its just a .22. Now Im payin for it.
 
Doug

Hearing loss due to shooting is just a fact of life for those of use who started out before all the damage awareness became so well publicised back in the late 80's. Call it gungho or just plain stupid but some of us even carried on shooting "naked" for a good few years after that.

For the likes of me who started tin can and squirrel and rabbit hunting with Granddaddies old .22 whilst still at junior school there were a lot of years between the first and last undefended (hearing wise) shot. Boy! are we paying our dues now. Some of my hearing damage was caused by running chainsaws without hearing protection whilst working in the forestry industry. Ear defenders and leg protective chaps were for cissy's. How foolish we were.

I now work hard at keeping what hearing range I have. But it can cost an awful lot. Just wished I'd been less gung ho and stupid back in the early days.
 
Im glad to hear that some of you guys wear foam earplugs and shotgun muffs. Thats what I started doin because of the thick earpiece on the rifle muffs couldnt get on the stock. My ears ring all the time and I cant hear high pitched noises. Someone that talks soft I need sign language. I used to shoot a .22 pistol all the time without protectors, hell, its just a .22. Now Im payin for it.

Join the club. Back when I started shooting hearing protection wasn't used. I sure wish I knew then what I know now (about a lot of things!), but as much hearing protection as you can find or afford is best. I even wear muffs when mowing the lawn, but if I forget to turn off my hearing aids they try to amplify the sound of anything below 75 dB. Being deaf is a royal pain.
 
Also what hearing protection devices do the forum members employ.
I first posted this to another forum. Edited a bit, I think it applies here, too.

Over the last 35 years I've been through lots of hearing protectors. As a former pistol silhouette shooter (a game where the guns are LOUD in a way most people can't appreciate until they experience it) I really appreciate good protection and I'm willing to pay for it. Cheap sets work fine until they stop working, at which time they become bulky and inconvenient paperweights.

My response to your question is that I bought both the MSA Sordin Supreme Pro-X and the Supreme Pro-X Neckband models. Link to the place from which I purchased is here: http://www.srstactical.com/communications/supreme-range-headsets.html

I wear the neck band version because it's marginally larger than the standard over-the-top-of-the-head configuration. I bought a set of the standard ones and they didn't fit. They were obviously a great product but at maximum extension, they were just a quarter inch too short. The neck-band version is just that much larger and barely fits.

Apparently I have a very fat head. I shouldn't be surprised. A dozen ex-girlfriends can't be wrong.

I was going to have to buy a second set, anyway. When my sister tried on the first set I bought, she instantly told me I wasn't going to get them back.

One caveat - The gel earpad option is a must. They change the whole character of the device by providing excellent comfort and sealing. The standard earpads are barely OK, which means "not nearly good enough".

Sorry to recommend such an expensive option but I really think they're worth the money.

In addition, no matter how much I like the MSAs, no hearing protectors are good enough. When I'm shooting alone or otherwise have no need to communicate with anyone, I turn them off and put in plugs, too.

Now, a couple of thoughts about plugs - First, I, personally, wouldn't get the molded plugs. I'd lose them and they would likely be a pain to clean. I know others feel differently but I am a neglectful and absent-minded person who unfortunately also produces lots of earwax. (TMI, I know. Sorry.) I simply don't think they'd be a good idea for me.

Besides, if you look at the Noise Reduction Rating printed on the box (at least, in the U.S.) you'll find that cheap disposables actually provide more protection than most other methods. Lots of standard ear muffs for sound protection do a poorer job than a 50-cent pair of disposable plugs.

So I buy the softest, smoothest, cheapest bulk-pack plugs I can find and toss them away after each use. My local pharmacies invariably have a dozen choices that meet those criteria.

The only plugs I actively avoid are the ones that look like perfect cylinders and feel rough on the outside; I find them irritating for long wear.

Finally, plugs don't work unless you put them in right. Yes, I know that pretty much everyone on this forum knows how to insert plugs. However, I see so many people do it wrong that I can't help but add the following paragraph. It might help someone.

To insert the plug into the right ear, gently roll the plug between thumb and index finger of the right hand until it collapses into a tiny cylinder that looks like little more than a thick bit of cord. Reach over the top of your head with your left hand, grasp and pull up on the top of your right ear (this straightens out the ear canal), then insert the compressed plug as far as it will go into the right ear. Release with the left hand but keep a finger on the end of the plug until you feel it expand and seal inside the ear. Mirror-image repeat to insert the other plug.

You know you're doing it right when you must regularly resort to a small pair of long-nose pliers to extract them at the end of practice.

For old geezers like me, the plug removal process via pliers also provides an additional benefit; it invariably extracts a quantity of excess ear hair. If only I could figure out how to grow as much hair on top of my head as I do in my ears... :)
 
I used to shoot a .22 pistol all the time without protectors, hell, its just a .22. From deaf shooter-above.

I was at my gun club a couple yrs ago at 'sight in days'. Couple (several) young guys showed up. One group was shooting 44 mag-no ears. "we do it all the time" was the response!! Oh well.
 
First, you only need a set of Yellow Foamies if you want as much protection as you can get, IF you insert them properly.

This I know because? I have a BS in engineering and attended the graduate program in Audiology at San Jose State, I have a hearing dispensers license and worked till I retired at a well known company that does Research and Product Developement for the Ear.

If you wear properly inserted simple ear plugs, you will have about 40 dB of noise attenuation. The limiting factor is not the ear plug, but your mastoid bone. With your ear canal totaly plugged, your mastoid bone will still conduct sound to your inner ear with about 40 dB attenuation.

Any reasonable ear muff you wear will have far less attenuation than a simple foam ear plug. That is why it is recommended to wear ear plugs under muffs.

If an ear plug isn't inserted properly, the attenuation can degrade to about 20 dB ( a factor of 10).

I use a plug called the EB-15 made by Etymotic Research. This plug is designed for blast protection while still allowing normal hearing for soft sounds as well as maintaining full sound localization for those hunting or fighting a war. There are two levels of attenuation in the EB-15, the first is for simple loud noises, these are attenuated 20 dB or so. The amount of maximum sound transferred into the ear drum under blast conditions is about 115 dB which is roughly 45 dB attenuation and enough to protect your hearing from harm.

The added bonus of the EB series is the fact that a quality microphone is used as well as a high fidelity amplifier which reduces "white" noise at low levels and allows sounds to sound correct.

I use my EB-15 for long range bench rest shooting as well as all other shooting I do. The EB-1 does not attenuate the moderately loud sounds so I like the EB-15 as the background shooting on the line at a competition is reduced to a sensible level and the sound of my gun and my neighbors is limited to 115 dB.

The EB series is not cheap, but it is designed by competent audiologists and engineers and really does the job.

Etymotic Research does not accept anecdotal evidence, so they can back up their devices performance by clinical research and testing, which they will supply if asked.
 
If you have a flexible spending account option as part of your benefits package at work you can have a doctor write a prescription for hearing protection and use pre-tax dollars to purchase a medically necessary device to protect your hearing.

I use ear plugs that are molded to my ear by a licensed audiologist as I find I can get them in repeatably better than I can with the yellow foamies. When I shoot braked magnums I use muffs and plugs.

Just my two cents,

wade
 
I use a plug called the EB-15 made by Etymotic Research. This plug is designed for blast protection while still allowing normal hearing for soft sounds as well as maintaining full sound localization for those hunting or fighting a war. There are two levels of attenuation in the EB-15, the first is for simple loud noises, these are attenuated 20 dB or so. The amount of maximum sound transferred into the ear drum under blast conditions is about 115 dB which is roughly 45 dB attenuation and enough to protect your hearing from harm.

The added bonus of the EB series is the fact that a quality microphone is used as well as a high fidelity amplifier which reduces "white" noise at low levels and allows sounds to sound correct.

I use my EB-15 for long range bench rest shooting as well as all other shooting I do. The EB-1 does not attenuate the moderately loud sounds so I like the EB-15 as the background shooting on the line at a competition is reduced to a sensible level and the sound of my gun and my neighbors is limited to 115 dB.

The EB series is not cheap, but it is designed by competent audiologists and engineers and really does the job.

Etymotic Research does not accept anecdotal evidence, so they can back up their devices performance by clinical research and testing, which they will supply if asked.

Norm

Thanks for posting. You're just what I have been looking for someone that actually has the specialist knowledge and doesn't want to sell me anything.

The GunSport•PRO1 High-Definition Electronic Earplugs. are manufactured by Etymotic Research and are i believe are a development of the EB15's you recommend. I have included links to the individual product spec pages from Etymotic own web site. Its the preformance graphs at the bottom of the page that I'm interested in.

http://www.etymotic.com/hp/eb15.htm

http://www.etymotic.com/hp/gsp1.html



Could you explain the difference in performance between the two models and which one you feel is best suited to just shooting usage. If there is little real discernible difference I could possibly purchase a pair of EB15's and do as wadebrown suggests and write them off as PPE.
 
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If you have a flexible spending account option as part of your benefits package at work you can have a doctor write a prescription for hearing protection and use pre-tax dollars to purchase a medically necessary device to protect your hearing.

Slick!

Norm- thanks for the great info. Just how sensitive can those electronic muffs be? The reason I ask is I want to use hearing protection while hunting but of course being able to hear soft or distant sounds is critical.

Being right next to a fella in a duck boat emptying a shotgun with 3 1/2" shells makes me feel the investment would be worthwhile. The enjoyment of the hunt is dramatically diminished when you can't hear out of one of your ears for awhile after a flock decoys.
 
"I use a plug called the EB-15 made by Etymotic Research. This plug is designed for blast protection while still allowing normal hearing for soft sounds as well as maintaining full sound localization for those hunting or fighting a war. There are two levels of attenuation in the EB-15, the first is for simple loud noises, these are attenuated 20 dB or so. The amount of maximum sound transferred into the ear drum under blast conditions is about 115 dB which is roughly 45 dB attenuation and enough to protect your hearing from harm."

Thanks for info. I ordered a set.

Chip
 
I with the military would start issuing some of this stuff...... my kid runs around in 5,000.00 worth of gear and no hearing protection. His ears are shot and he's barely old enough to walk into an adult establishment.

al
 
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