Hart trigger. What do I have here?

[DeadEyeDan]

Hey fellows my very first post here on BR. Very recently aquired a 40XB and I'll be honest Im just learning about them. Was at a gun show this afternoon and picked up this trigger. The fellow I bought it from didnt really have a clue other than its a Hart trigger, it has a W. Hart stamped on the case and the paperwork says its a 2 oz trigger for BR.

Hit the web when I got home to do some research but guess what? yep not a lot of information on this trigger. I found that Remington with Hart made a 2 OZ trigger for some of their rifles but thats about it. My 40XB trigger has a double sear and this has one. Adjustments are located at the bottom of the assembly. No safety and no bolt release. It seemed pretty inexpensive so I took a chance and purchased it.

Does this fit my 40XB? Any value to it? any good?

Thanks for any and all info guys

 

[Charles E]

Probably more than you want to know. I can't remember if I read this in an interview with Mike Walker, or more probably, it was in Ottson's series on benchrest triggers in the old Rifle magazine. In any case . . .

Mike Walker designed several triggers for the 40-X. An early one used was a bit too expensive for Remington to make in house, probably because it shared few/no parts with the Remington trigger. So Remington subcontracted the work out to Shilen, and to Hart. I don't know if these were the same designs or slightly different, it could have just been a change in the contractors used.

Later, Walker designed another trigger that was economical for Remington to make in house. Hart and Shilen asked if they could continue making and selling the original design, and were given permission. That's the origin of those triggers.

I have used the Shilen, it is a fine trigger. I would assume the Hart is, too.

The Jewell is a newer design -- in terms of time, anyway. Most people seem to think it a bit better design. In my limited experience, you can adjust the weight of pull to a bit less with the Jewell, but the 2-ounce setting of the Shilen -- and I assume Hart -- is plenty good for most of us. The Kelbly too is a newer design

For the full story, you could get up with Dans40X, he collects these triggers.

Hope this helps.

 

[Lucky Shooter A]

Very Good Trigger

I have had one of the Hart triggers since about 1980 and its a very good trigger.

I also have some Jewells and a couple of Shilens-----all are very good triggers.

The Hart has one unusual feature in that the Length of Pull can be adjusted by sliding the trigger shoe forward and rearward.

Also, as with the Jewell, the pull weight, overtravel and sear engagements can be adjusted without removing the action from the stock.

Enjoy having a good trigger.

A. Weldy

 

[DeadEyeDan]

Probably more than you want to know. I can't remember if I read this in an interview with Mike Walker, or more probably, it was in Ottson's series on benchrest triggers in the old Rifle magazine. In any case . . .

Mike Walker designed several triggers for the 40-X. An early one used was a bit too expensive for Remington to make in house, probably because it shared few/no parts with the Remington trigger. So Remington subcontracted the work out to Shilen, and to Hart. I don't know if these were the same designs or slightly different, it could have just been a change in the contractors used.

Later, Walker designed another trigger that was economical for Remington to make in house. Hart and Shilen asked if they could continue making and selling the original design, and were given permission. That's the origin of those triggers.

I have used the Shilen, it is a fine trigger. I would assume the Hart is, too.

The Jewell is a newer design -- in terms of time, anyway. Most people seem to think it a bit better design. In my limited experience, you can adjust the weight of pull to a bit less with the Jewell, but the 2-ounce setting of the Shilen -- and I assume Hart -- is plenty good for most of us. The Kelbly too is a newer design

For the full story, you could get up with Dans40X, he collects these triggers.

Hope this helps.

Charles, thanks that is VERY helpful sir. The more information the better off I am (sometimes lol). I guess I will buy some lighter fluid and clean the trigger out and install it this weekend Funny you mention Dans40X he is one of the fellows I found in my research just couldnt find exactly what I was looking for. While your here I also picked up this second trigger. My understanding is that its a more modern Remington 2 oz. trigger. Do you have any experience with these? My hope is to afford a USMC barreled action from CMP and put the modern trigger on it. Feeling pretty lucky, picked up the Hart for 50 bucks and this other for 2 bucks. I seldom find the deals.

Lucky, very neat about the LOP, I have that option on a couple of my 10 meter air rifles and it comes in very handy indeed.

 

[BrianJ]

Charles E,

Actually I think you will find that Hart made the early Remington 2-oz triggers as the only contractor. I was not aware of any involvement by Shilen. Hart makes the same original trigger today and they can not be mistaken for the newer Remington trigger. When redesigned Remington used its standard trigger housing and added a third lever. Again I am not aware Shilen had any involvement though they did begin making a conversion of the standard trigger to 2-oz, as did several others and each varied slightly from the Remington in 3rd lever design and spring style. Finally Shilen did begin making their own, again, as did several others. As for any Shilen involvement otherwise I don't think there was any.

bjm

 

[Charles E]

See Ottson's series on benchrest triggers, esp the one on the Remington 2 ounce triggers, in the old Rifle magazine. Shilen was a contractor -- Unless my memory is slipping. Except for the one on the Kenyon trigger, I lost the other issues of that series in Rifle when we moved in 2000.

 

[BrianJ]

Hi Charles,

I did as you suggested and here are the results.

Under Hart, Otteson mentions that Walker farmed the original out to Hart and the reasons why. (No mention of Shilen.)

Under Remington 2-oz, Otteson says the new 2-oz of 1968 could be produced and assembled at Ilion. (no mention of Shilen.)

Under " 2-oz Conversions" he describes the Shilen conversion as well as other conversions and compares with 7 other triggers.

All and all there is no mention of any involvement between Remington and Shilen in regard to these triggers.

I'm slipping as well, its the moving that causes that. How well I know.

bjm