Gun Laws - Worldwide

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I didn’t want to hijack Jackie’s thread, so decided to start another to get an American perspective.

[quote name='Coolhand' date='Feb 6 2009, 12:15 PM' post='79658']
There is a rumour doing the rounds down here that the US State Dept is clamping down on all shooting related products, that are exported , even to the 'Allies.'
One portion of the rumour suggests that it may cost a barrel maker $35,000.00 for a permit to export.
I have even heard that non-military style scopes will be banned for export. Also heard a story of a jobber engineering business that is producing screws and springs etc for S&W , that will be required to have a US FFL and export permit , even though the end user is S&W and the business is not exporting directly, merely making parts.

So what is the rumour mill in the US saying guys ?

regards
Mike.
ps.My prediction is that our own Government , will eventually ban the importation of powder, primers and projectiles , if they can't remove the firearms from society , they will stop the fodder for same.
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This is a question that was asked over at Long Range forums, he hasn’t had any answers, so I thought you guys might want to comment.

Mike (coolhand) is from Aussie so there law well be different from your’s in the US and isn’t as tuff as we might get in NZ. From the paper I’ve got, we well not be allowed to install a scope on a rifle…..

My understanding, this is UN driven? Who’s behind it in the UN, I wouldn’t have a clue…

Thanks John
 
In this country, that would be George Soros and the cute sounding political PAC groups he supports and funds. Of his major policy agendas is U.N. control of all small arms and he funds 10's of millions in the USA. Read up on his public speaking, it's all published.
 
As an Aussie

who purchases stuff from the US i can say that it's getting very difficult to many things exported.

You need to get an export permit which is an added cost and hindrance for the retailer and many retailers just wont ship overseas any more.

While it probably wont have any effect on our American buddies it has a big impact on us. The ability to import stuff ourselves has had a great influence on keeping the cost of shooting at reasonable levels. If this is stopped a lot of shooters will give up because they just wont be able to afford it.
 
Let us try and keep politics and political sniping out of the discussions ...

The biggest change I have seen with obtaining firearms and firearm related items is in the export laws of the U.S. It started shortly after 9/11 and has gotten progressively worse. The U.S. State Department seems to have the authority to place export controls on anything without consulting those companies affected within the U.S. They seem to think these restrictions are preventing terrorist activity.

There is not much we outside of the US can do except to forget about what the US produces and import products from Europe and other countries.

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I think you can look to your own country for the main reason imports of firearms related parts keep going up...Canada does not want you armed, as well as many other nations in the UN charter. We are trying as hard as we can in the USA to not ever be a part of that group...its up to the Canadians to change the body politic in their country, by any means necessary if it comes to that...sorry there isn't an easier way. Good luck.
 
Gary,

I suggest that you have a look at some of your US mail order sites & check out what they say about what they are permitted to export under what consitions according to US government requirements.

As far as my government requirements are concerned, I can get about anything into Australia without restriction except firearms & firearm actions or major action components - which necessitates a 20 buck permit & very little hassle where I live.

Your government, for example, won't permit the sale of any sight or device which attaches to a firearm or sighting device to an individual, full stop, so I can't buy a set of scope mounts Stateside any more! It started back after 9/11 where your government banned the export of mildot scopes to individuals ostensibly to stop the bad guys, effectively transferring those sales to Asia. Since then, they've been leaning on exports harder until it got about impossible about 6 months ago.

Now I know that it's said that it's the fault of the UN, but to me, it's pretty consistent with the way that arsewipe politicians handle any complex & difficult to manage issue - make a law prohibiting something & who cares whether or not it can be enforced. The mug voters will wet themselves with joy & relief & get that warm feeling but nothing will change. We had a little crawler like that over here back in 1997 who wiped out a heap of gun rights after the Port Arthur massacre. He got away with it because his government had good spin doctors and he prohibited the publication of firearm statistics.

He ended up the first serving Prime Minister to lose his seat in an election, not for that reason though, but Dubbya kissed him better with the Medal of Freedom. Sheesh!

Rant mode off.

John
 
Gary M. said:
I think you can look to your own country for the main reason imports of firearms related parts keep going up...Canada does not want you armed, as well as many other nations in the UN charter. We are trying as hard as we can in the USA to not ever be a part of that group...its up to the Canadians to change the body politic in their country, by any means necessary if it comes to that...sorry there isn't an easier way. Good luck.
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Gary, it is not Canada that is restricting imports, it is the U.S. of A that is restricting exports... and it hurts U.S. businesses more than it does Canadian businesses. Many US exporters were hit with huge new U.S. license fees and many have stopped exporting because of it. It's a U.S. problem.
 
Dennis Sorensen said:
Let us try and keep politics and political sniping out of the discussions ...
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Dennis I mean you no disrespect, but you are kidding right? How in the world do you keep politics out of this discussion since it is the 100% driving force behind the problems? The US made a choice, politically, that is going to influence the whole world quickly in a very negative manner! Guns, and gun rights will only be a small part of the freedoms we lose. It (politics) has to be in the discussion.

Mike
 
turmite said:
Dennis I mean you no disrespect, but you are kidding right? How in the world do you keep politics out of this discussion since it is the 100% driving force behind the problems? It (politics) has to be in the discussion.

Mike
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It simple, you don't talk about the politics... it is Wilburs desire not to talk politics on Benchrest Central. Everyone should respect that.
 
John Kielly said:
Gary,

know that it's said that it's the fault of the UN, but to me, it's pretty consistent with the way that arsewipe politicians handle any complex & difficult to manage issue - make a law prohibiting something & who cares whether or not it can be enforced. The mug voters will wet themselves with joy & relief & get that warm feeling but nothing will change. We had a little crawler like that over here back in 1997 who wiped out a heap of gun rights after the Port Arthur massacre. He got away with it because his government had good spin doctors and he prohibited the publication of firearm statistics.

He ended up the first serving Prime Minister to lose his seat in an election, not for that reason though, but Dubbya kissed him better with the Medal of Freedom. Sheesh!

Rant mode off.

John
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Pal, congratulation. You've got your second post right. He also must received a strap-on medal.Rad
 
Dennis, I have to agree with Mike. Laws are made by Politicians, so to some degree politics does come into the conversation.
I believe if personalities are keep out of this type of conversation, then Wilbur would be quite happy (I hope)

In my first post I did say that the UN had quite a lot of input. The reason I said this is in the new proposed gun laws for New Zealand, the UN is referred to a lot. Forget imports, we won’t be even able to fit a scope, it has to be done a dealer.
We’ve just had a change of government, but at this point don’t know what their stand is going to be on firearms. I do believe there is a Word wide drive to restrict firearms to the masses (worked really well in England, see there violent crime is up)

I also believe 9/11 has little or nothing to do with the restrictions that are being imposed now (it’s just a convent excuse). I think it has more to do with getting firearms out off private hands.

Politicians have quite a balancing act, on one side they need to pass laws (which we might or might not like) and on the other hand they have to keep a eye on public opinion not letting themselves get unpopular and cost them votes.
I’ve written to anyone I believe can help that is in power, I also encourage new shooters to get a firearms licence, this can only make us stronger and hopefully make the politicians sit up and take some notice….

End of rant
John
 
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Mike
The only thing they need to ban the import of in Oz is primers,we don't
make them here,once thats done we can't reload.
JK in Brissie nice rant on the bookworm could'nt agree more.
Regards,
Steve
 
Just a few minutes ago, on CNN, there was discussion about a bill introduced in Illinois. If passed into law, every gun owner in that state would require a 1 million dollar insurance policy just to own a gun.
 
The main thing Americans don't........

realize is their right to contract!! No state, & that includes the federal state, can pass a law impairing our right to contract(because the fed, too, ONLY gets its power FROM the Constitution). More dealers need to get together & make their peers aware of this & bring HEAT on the local pols, so that the squealing gets heard from the state capitols to the nation's capitol. They attempt to get around this by "regulation"= "you want to do this?? you got to get THAT" (a license) However, the right to contract is protected in our Constitution, and the precedent is set, this has stood the test many times in the supreme court, federal, & state courts(ever notice the word "state" is never capitalized in the Constitution??) and if they wished to change that, they'd have to change it for their buddies, too. So, they NEVER refer to that article. People here in the states NEED to get informed. read about the "nra's Montana snafu", type those words in your search engine. The nra had the ability, & never used it, to remove soft-point ammo from the armor-piercing considerations, & now, that's the next thing we'll have to put up with!! Also, check around the MSSA's site, there is much info on the FIJA-Fully Informed Jury Assn. Also, Americans look at the site www.flexyourrights.org there is a DVD available there called "Busted", its $25 & 45mins. run time, tells how to keep the cops-LAWFULLY, from snooping about in your conveyance to & from the range. People here need to be better informed, so we can protect the rights, the little we have left, from being further eroded!!!:mad:. I also expect, as a result of this obama thing, for them to try to organize another Constitutional Convention(Con-Con) so we can have more foreigners as presidents, WOW, such an appetizing thought!! EOR:rolleyes:
 
The intention of the IL "gun" insurance policy is if the gun is used in an illegal manor. There are a total of zero companies in the U.S. that offer such a policy (reported by CNN).

Additionally, if you don't have the insurance policy, you will loose your "gun card". If you don't have a "gun card", you are guilty of a felony.

You see the loop.
 
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