For safety reasons, Calfee

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My friends:

If you look at the thread titled "World Benchrest Championships, etc" and go to post 48, you will see where friend Markus has quoted "in red letters" the rules for flag placement at the International Championships......look at the second sentence in red: Where is says shooters can use their own flags, but for safety reasons, range personal will set them......(paraphrazing.)

I apologize up front....but....I wonder what those "safety reasons" could be?

I mean, if one of the shooters was setting his flags and somehow got shot...that would be terrible....but to me, if one of the range personal was setting the flags and he got shot, that would also be terrible, at least to me.

To me, a life is a life.......

Now, I most certainly could understand liability concerns from the host range.

But safety concerns? .......I mean, anyone getting hurt setting flags, shooters or range folks, would be terrible....at least to me..

I guess what I'm thinking is: Why would if be any safer for range personal to set the flags as opposed to the shooters setting them?

Again my friends, liability fears, yes......a shooter might trip and break a leg and sue the range or something....I fully understand this....course one of the range personal could trip and break a leg and sue too, I suppose...

I guess I'm so used to the way we do things here in the States.....I mean, at Borden, Livonia, Washington County, Cannelton, etc, the shooters are allowed to set their own flags.....I've been doing this rimfire benchrest shooting for 20 years now, and, as far as I can recall, never a safety problem with shooters setting their own flags......I don't ever remember a leg being broke, even....

Are we in this country doing wrong? Should the ranges here in the States start having range personel do the flag setting?

Your friend, Bill Calfee



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Hi Bill,

I know the reasons not.
The range in Milano has 75 Lines for 50 meters (.22).
The police and other marksmen shoot on the Range at the same time (so was it last year, we shoot on Line 55 till Line 75 and the other shooters shoot on Line 1 till line 30).

I look forward to the competition ;) . In the last year i had really fun:D.

And I know, Carlo Caricato and its supporters make the best :).

Markus

www.br50.com or www.benchrestschiessen.de
 
Marcus: Good luck and have a safe exsperince. To all shooters reprosenting the U.S.A. Be safe ,shoot well, bring home the championship trophy. To all other countries do well and be your best. garrisone.
 
Bill, the theory is that the range folks will not go down range before "safe" and shooters might. Not knowing exactly how we do it here I'd suspect they're not taking chances, especially with possible language issues.
 
tim said:
Bill, the theory is that the range folks will not go down range before "safe" and shooters might. .
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We KNOW shooters will go down range when the range is not "safe". We've all seen this happen here. Probably a good rule and I'm assuming shooters never get to go forward of the benches.
 
Bill
If you look at any of the photos of the European Championships last year, not one person had any flags out. This is the first time most of them will have seen a rimfire BR match with lots of flags out. So the people running this wouldn’t have seen it before either and love it or lump it, this how they are doing.

We have been told we MUST setup our flags before the championships begins and don’t touch them until the championships is over, but it hasn’t been made clear if we are putting the flags out or range staff. This range it is a bit different, there are 2 earth mounds between the bench and the target and mounds are baffled so there is no direct access between the bench and target. They are saying we need flag poles up to 4m high so people down range could be easily out of sight.

We are shooting over 3 gullies through 2 large widow size openings, if we get some wind on this range it’ll go every which way and be a wee bit interesting and some what enjoyable.

The best part is having to setup both the 25m and 50m ranges before the championships begins which means everything needs to in place on the 50m range and we don’t shot a match on that range until 6 days later. End result, instead of using some flags on the 25m range and moving them to the 50m range we need to take more flags and for those of us who are air freighting things over and back, it adds to the cost.

With a 3 bench rotation and each individual or team who wants to use flags needing 3 sets, it might get a little crowed at there doing it this way.:D

Peter
www.oz-rba.com
 
I hate to state the obvious but it seems we have folks running a BR match that don't know what a benchrest match is. They are running it on a range that is not suitable for the match and the organizing committee sanctioned a match without any control or oversite of the opperation of the match. Everyone will try to make it work and have a good time I'm sure but I hope a little more thought goes into the next one. It would be like running the Olympic sprint races in a sand pit.
 
Don,

The people running this are the controlling body and while they aren’t running it the way you and I might, they are the ones running it, it’s their sand pit and this is the way it’s going to be. I’m planning on having a good time in Italy, so I’m opting for the 3 monkeys approach.

The 2nd World Championships is up for grabs, it could be in Australia we have a good range and the people to do it. But they want things done only their way, which is fine, so we won’t be putting in a bid for the 2nd WC.

If people in other countries think they can do a better job, they should put their hand up to run the 2nd World Championships. Put up or shut up sort of thing.:D

Peter
 
Peter Armstrong said:
Bill
If you look at any of the photos of the European Championships last year, not one person had any flags out.
www.oz-rba.com
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So it was, and it has also made fun :):):)

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More Pictures >>> http://www.benchrestschiessen.de/BR50/Mailand_Europameisterschaft_2007/Allgemein/Rimfire_Benchrest_Allgemein.html

I am happy to see you all in Milano :):):)

Markus

www.br50.com or www.benchrestschiessen.de
 
Photos

Markus,

Thanks for the link to photos, it certainly gives us all a good chance to see what we will be looking at in Italy for World Championships. I CAN'T WAIT :D
 
GREAT PICTURES MARCUS!!!!
A picture is worth a thousand words! :D
Between Your Pictures and Peters post the question of even considering competitors down range has been answered!:eek:
TSN Milano has a World Class Venue for this Competition and the only downside to that I can see is that I will not be able to attend. :(
Let the Games Begin and may the best man win.
 
Doug,
In some ways I think the games have already begun.:eek:

Peter
 
Friend Peter

Friend Peter:

Thanks for the responces.......

Good luck to you Aussie's.....I have developed a lot of friendships with folks from your part of the world.....including you my friend.

Peter, have you heard of any handicapping thoughts about who's going to do what......I'm aquainted with most of the folks going from the USA, but who's the folks to beat throughout the rest of the world?

Thanks again for your responces and best of luck...

Your friend, Bill Calfee
 
Bill,

Who are the ones to beat, put a list on a wall and throw a dart? That would be as accurate as anything I might say.

Having been away on shooting teams before I know some will get to Italy be way out of their comfort zone and not handle it that good, while others will be like sponges and take it in and improve out of sight. A lot of individuals who shot on this range last year will find there scores are higher when there are some good wind flags out this time, so that is a very big unknown too. Then we are shooting for a solid week plus practice and not all will have put in enough work to be able to be on top form all week, so they’ll be up and down over the week.

I think Italy will be a bit like the old days at the Olympics, where competitors from around world will come together for the first time. Everyone will have expectations based on what they done in their own country, but will that be good enough.

Peter
 
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QUOTE=Kathy;409850]My friends:

If you look at the thread titled "World Benchrest Championships, etc" and go to post 48, you will see where friend Markus has quoted "in red letters" the rules for flag placement at the International Championships......look at the second sentence in red: Where is says shooters can use their own flags, but for safety reasons, range personal will set them......(paraphrazing.)

I apologize up front....but....I wonder what those "safety reasons" could be?

I mean, if one of the shooters was setting his flags and somehow got shot...that would be terrible....but to me, if one of the range personal was setting the flags and he got shot, that would also be terrible, at least to me.

To me, a life is a life.......

Now, I most certainly could understand liability concerns from the host range.

But safety concerns? .......I mean, anyone getting hurt setting flags, shooters or range folks, would be terrible....at least to me..

I guess what I'm thinking is: Why would if be any safer for range personal to set the flags as opposed to the shooters setting them?

Again my friends, liability fears, yes......a shooter might trip and break a leg and sue the range or something....I fully understand this....course one of the range personal could trip and break a leg and sue too, I suppose...

I guess I'm so used to the way we do things here in the States.....I mean, at Borden, Livonia, Washington County, Cannelton, etc, the shooters are allowed to set their own flags.....I've been doing this rimfire benchrest shooting for 20 years now, and, as far as I can recall, never a safety problem with shooters setting their own flags......I don't ever remember a leg being broke, even....

Are we in this country doing wrong? Should the ranges here in the States start having range personel do the flag setting?

Your friend, Bill Calfee



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