Expectations . . . what are yours?

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Montana Pete

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Folks--

I think that our mood when leaving the firing range depends on the expectations we had when we were shooting. What in your "guessing" or imagination was that rifle SUPPOSED to do? Did the rifle do it? Did YOU do your part?

This is important here on a benchrest forum, because we are talking the most accurate rifles in the world. The newbie can be crushed if he comes running with his 3/4 inch group and discovers it is not even "on the map."

On the other hand, if some of these beautifully crafted benchrest rifles do not put 5 shots into 0.2 inches, the shooter may feel disappointed.

Other rifles that show up here are varminters, which often fall into the 10-12 lb. weight class. Some are stock, some are rebarreled, some are custom jobs. Expectations have a right to change as the guy spends more money or develops more knowledge.

I sometimes take sporter hunting rifles to the range, and if the rifle keeps them in 1-1/4 in. at 100, I am not too disappointed. Rarely, I will shoot a 3/4 in. group with one of these at 100. Such rifles were never designed for that.

I have an off-the-shelf varminter-- one of the Savage Model 12 variants -- and have mixed results. It is about a 12-lb rifle in 22-250. The other day it was dead calm and I shot two groups back to back at 100 yds. that were about 0.2 inch. I was sky high with enthusiasm. This is unusual for me. I don't shoot wind very well, and I may not have the best "bench manners" -- since no one ever showed me anything or taught me anything. And like most of us, I have my bad days.

I see people posting here who claim to shoot quarter inch or smaller groups time after time after time. They never mention wind. Either they always have dead calm conditions when they go to the range or they have really mastered the reading of wind. If we are shooting .224 rifles, the wind really pushes those little bullets around.

With the guys who like to talk about one-hole groups all day long -- maybe they are telling fibs too. Ever consider that possibility?

Anyway-- the key word is "expectations." What do you have a right to expect? How good do you have to shoot to go home happy?

A lot of the challenge for me has been working up loads. Almost always when I have a good day at the range I am shooting a good load. Some experimental loads are just not much good, and even a fine rifle can blow out groups if she doesn't like the loads. Why your rifle likes one load and not another -- one of the great mysteries on the planet. And different rifles seem to have different "tastes."

A big step for me recently was to learn to use an A.O.L. guage with a caliper and "bullet comparator" to nail down the seating depth in a more scientific manner. These kind of learning experiences help us pursue our "expectations."

Equipment helps too. I finally have a professional quality front rest and rear sandbag. It is hard to shoot well without the best equipment.

What are your expectations? Any comments welcome--
 
Montana Pete

I was just thinking the same thing before I opened up the Forum.

My first thought is on the ability of a said combination to agg. If it does not agg low there is an isue and one better find out or figure it out.

What I am getting at for myself is the learning curve required to feel the confidence in my ability and my equipment. I do not have all the bells and whistles in gadgets and don't think they are needed.

I hear that Mr. Boyer travels with the bare minimum and look what he does and has done for years. He is the Tiger Woods or Wayne Gretzky of the shooting world.

Living where I do, matches and access to the best shooters around is almost non existant. We have good shooters but every time it means a journey to shoot. I get disappointed when I do not shoot well.

Access to available top notch components is another story in itself. I have read where shooters cannot make a powder work, sell it and buy another lot. Not that easy up here.

I blame my poor shooting on the learning curve. Handling mistakes more than anything and pulling the trigger when it is close. Close just does not cut it. It has to be perfect every time.

I find it mind boggling all the talk about how this or that affects where the bullet is going to print in relation to the next. I think we are trying to be to much like lawyers and pull everything appart. I think it needs to be back to the basics. Simple.

Nothing is more deflating than your first group of the weekend is a .101 then it slowly goes down hill from there. The second is a low .2 and number 3 has the first 4 into about a .040 and you drop the last shot to make it a flat .250. Why? I feel being new at it, learning curve, confidence first.

When you get the confidence then you can start to pick appart the rest.

I do feel that a full blown BR rifle should shoot in the 1's and 2's but a factory or off the shelf I am happy if I get 1 moa out of it. The barrel is the week link in the off the shelf rifles.

I have been told BR is not to expensive. It is only as expensive as one wants it to be. Hell Yah it's expensive. I have only 1 rifle to feed and I have to work my butt off to feed it.

I still enjoy it regardless of how I place or how wellI have shot. Every match I go to is a learning experience. I try different things even though a match is not the place to be doing that. The big thing I need to do is for those 7 minutes that the relay is on it is work time not play time.

JMO
Calvin
 
There are alot of shooters out there. No doubt somebody really is shooting 1/4" groups with a hunting gun -all day long.
The rest are not.
So it would be foolish to EXPECT it,, right?

And I believe there is no 'best equipment', but rather 'well suited' for purpose.
I have a hunting rifle that hates Edgewood bags off a Farley. Damn good about it, cuz I ain't carrying them in the field anyway. It shoots 1/2moa to 500 off a Harris bipod though, and that getsRdone for me.
More than I EXPECT...
 
I expect my equipment to be trustworthy. It has to be. I'm happy if I feel like I shot about as well as I can on a given day and recognize my mistakes so that I can learn from them. That is a good day to me. Minimize mistakes and let the cards fall where they may.---Mike
 
I always expect the next shot to make my group bigger. When it doesn't...I'm happy. When it does...I met my expectations. Soooo, I always either meet or exceed my expectations.
 
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