cooper phoenix vs savage 12 f/tr 223

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cooper phoenix vs savage 12 lr 223

hello to all, this is my first post here. I currently have a cooper phoenix rifle in 223 that has a 1/14 twist barrel. due to my desire to shoot 69 and an occasional 75 grain load (without the bullets leaving the barrel sideways) the current cooper setup is less than ideal.

I am debating going two ways. first is to sell the cooper and buy a savage 12 lr in 223 with either a 1/7 or 1/9 twist barrel. the second is to send the cooper out to be re barreled into a 1/8 twist rig.

Any thoughts as to the accuracy potential of either of these two platforms? secondly if you think I would be better off with a cooper re barrel could you please give a gunsmith recommendation (as there is nobody in southern nj I would trust to do it).

thanks in advance
 
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cooper vs savage

I own the savage and I have never had anything bad to say about it. it shoots great. I have only shot the 69 mk's but it will shoot high .1's to mid .2's I have never tried the 75s so I am not sure that it will stabalize the bullet. So I would not be affraid to go with that. I did have scott null at savage gunsmithings do his accurizing package on it and a trigger job. But you have to love the way it shoots. :).

I have never shot a cooper but I have never heard anything bad about them to.
 
I am leaning towards rebarreling/bedding the cooper. I love the trigger, and like the stock. can anyone recommend a cooper'smith and an optimal barrel make/length?

thanks
 
I am impressed with my cooper every time I go to the range. It is a SOLID .25 MOA gun out to 450 yards.
 
arthurj said:
I am impressed with my cooper every time I go to the range. It is a SOLID .25 MOA gun out to 450 yards.
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can you tell me what loads yours likes? have you upgraded it at all?

thanks
 
The Savage in 1x9 Twist shoots the 75gr Hornady amax better than my
52-55gr match load. Recoil is more but when I reposition the gun on the rest
and see the results I smile. Reloader 15 21.8 CCI400 Federal Brass 2.26oal.
 
Might try 60gr Hornady Vmax or 64gr Winchester Spire Point in the 1x14 Say 22.8-23gr Hodgdon 4895 or Reloader 15 good start point.
 
I have had good luck with Pac-Nor barrels and their rebarreling service, their prices are reasonable and the turn around time is fairly quick, but best of all is that I have had great luck with their barrels - they have all shot very well.
I lean towards having the barrel maker do the work because then if there is a problem you only have to deal with one entity rather than having to deal with a gunsmith and barrel maker.
 
njslrea said:
can you tell me what loads yours likes? have you upgraded it at all?

thanks
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Njslrea,
I guess it may not be much help since my gun is a 25-06 Rem!
Sorry,
Al
 
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I was pondering the same thing. After a lot of thought I think your better off to have the Cooper rebarelled. I know the cost is $400 but that is still less expensve than a new rifle. Hard to beat that 3 lug model #21 action. Believe me I am a Savage fan but I love my little Cooper. I shoot a model 21 in score matches at our club and have walked away several times this last summer with wins and that's with a .17 m4!

Be aware of the folks that say their Savage shoots in the .1's and 2's. Those folks should be shooting in registered benchrest matches.
 
thanks for the reply, I am getting prices of ~$575 for a 1/9 lilja 26" tube installed. seem fair?
 
njslrea said:
thanks for the reply, I am getting prices of ~$575 for a 1/9 lilja 26" tube installed. seem fair?
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That sounds a bit high to me. The barrel is less than $300 so $275+ to fit & chamber is expensive. I fit and chamber barrels for half that when a muzzle brake is not required.
 
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